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Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!)

From: Chris Ridpath <chris.ridpath@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:48:50 -0400
Message-ID: <007701bf1c9c$8e0bd800$b040968e@ic.utoronto.ca>
To: "WAI ER IG List" <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
> 2) needs to be subdivided and reordered.
>
How would it be subdivided?
Can you suggest an order?

> 3) there are heuristics that could be applied to estimate what role the
> text that is MARQUEEing or BLINKing plays in the page...
>
A good suggestion but I don't think this will make it into version 1 of
A-Prompt.

Chris



----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
To: WAI ER IG List <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!)


> At 02:33 PM 10/21/99 -0400, Chris Ridpath wrote:
> >Gregory makes a good point for including the Hx as replacements for
> >BLINK/MARQUEE. Another reason for suggesting Hx is that it might get the
> >user thinking about using these in the future instead of BLINK/MARQUEE.
> >
> >Should we also allow the author to change the BLINK/MARQUEE to something
> >else?
> >
> >To repair a BLINK/MARQUEE we could offer the author 3 choices:
> >1) remove it
> >2) change it to: [EM, STRONG, SPAN, (perhaps Hx)]
> >3) change it to: [enter your own tag]
>
> 1) appears just before 3) in the descending likelihood that the author
will
> want this order for these options.
>
> 2) needs to be subdivided and reordered.
>
> 3) there are heuristics that could be applied to estimate what role the
> text that is MARQUEEing or BLINKing plays in the page, such as placement
in
> the page and severity of text emphasis vs. the other emphasis employed on
> the page.  I don't expect A-Prompt to get there right away but in fact if
> we developed a "learned" weighting scheme for the effective severity of
> combinations of text effects based on demographics in actual pages, I bet
> we could get very good at detecting anonymous H1 text items, for example.
>
> One problem is that there is a common need for a lesser emphasis headline
> followed by a greater emphasis headline as one starts the head of a
module.
>  Actually, in the situations I am thinking of one could conceptualize the
> first, less emphasized identification as a running header and class that
> outside the Hn series and be then OK to have subheads all follow their
> superheads and be at a lower level (higher n in Hn) than their superheads.
> (we need a way to indicate running heads that refer to superscopes of the
> current module).
> Al
>
> >
> >For example, here's how the A-Prompt dialog might look:
> >http://aprompt.snow.utoronto.ca/tags/blink1.html
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
> >To: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
> >Cc: Evaluation & Repair Interest Group <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 2:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!)
> >
> >
> >> aloha, again, len!
> >>
> >> you wrote,
> >> quote
> >>   Do we really want to suggest Hx? In my experience people don't use
BLINK
> >>   where headers are appropriate and WCAG 3.5 states "Do not use headers
> >for
> >>   font effects". So we might lead authors down garden path
> >> unquote
> >>
> >> again, i repeat my assertion, based upon over 4 years of deconstructing
> >and
> >> reconstructing poorly encoded and/or designed sites, that i have most
> >often
> >> found the BLINK and MARQUEE elements -- often in conjunction with the
> >> deprecated FONT element -- used where a header would have been more
> >> appropriate...
> >>
> >> admittedly, this is more consistently true of MARQUEE -- just think of
the
> >> implications of the element's name -- when i think of a marquee, i
think
> >of --
> >> hell, who cares what i think, here's how WWWebster's Dictionary [1]
> >defines
> >> "marquee":
> >>
> >> quote
> >> a permanent canopy often of metal and glass projecting over an entrance
> >(as of
>
> >> a hotel or theater)
> >> unquote
> >>
> >> based on that definition, i'd argue that the information placed on a
> >physical
> >> marquee is the equivalent of level 1 and (at least) level 2 headers --
> >i.e. the
> >> name of the theater, and the name of the show or picture currently
being
> >shown
> >> there...
> >>
> >> admittedly, BLINK is also quite commonly used to set off a phrase or a
> >word, as
> >> in:
> >>
> >> <BLINK>NEW!</BLINK>
> >>
> >> but i have repeatedly encountered instances where BLINK (again, often
in
> >> conjunction with FONT) was used to emphasize what should have been
encoded
> >as a
> >> header, or where it (like MARQUEE) was used to add emphasis to what was
> >already
> >> encoded as a header...
> >>
> >> gregory.
> >>
> >> References
> >> [1] http://www.m-w.com/
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> He that lives on Hope, dies farting
> >>      -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
> >>    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
> >>         <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >
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