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Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!)

From: Chris Ridpath <chris.ridpath@utoronto.ca>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:33:44 -0400
Message-ID: <00f701bf1bf2$ce38d590$b040968e@ic.utoronto.ca>
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>
Cc: "WAI ER IG List" <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
Gregory makes a good point for including the Hx as replacements for
BLINK/MARQUEE. Another reason for suggesting Hx is that it might get the
user thinking about using these in the future instead of BLINK/MARQUEE.

Should we also allow the author to change the BLINK/MARQUEE to something
else?

To repair a BLINK/MARQUEE we could offer the author 3 choices:
1) remove it
2) change it to: [EM, STRONG, SPAN, (perhaps Hx)]
3) change it to: [enter your own tag]

For example, here's how the A-Prompt dialog might look:
http://aprompt.snow.utoronto.ca/tags/blink1.html

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
To: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
Cc: Evaluation & Repair Interest Group <w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: BLINK repair mechanisms (calling all CSS gurus!)


> aloha, again, len!
>
> you wrote,
> quote
>   Do we really want to suggest Hx? In my experience people don't use BLINK
>   where headers are appropriate and WCAG 3.5 states "Do not use headers
for
>   font effects". So we might lead authors down garden path
> unquote
>
> again, i repeat my assertion, based upon over 4 years of deconstructing
and
> reconstructing poorly encoded and/or designed sites, that i have most
often
> found the BLINK and MARQUEE elements -- often in conjunction with the
> deprecated FONT element -- used where a header would have been more
> appropriate...
>
> admittedly, this is more consistently true of MARQUEE -- just think of the
> implications of the element's name -- when i think of a marquee, i think
of --
> hell, who cares what i think, here's how WWWebster's Dictionary [1]
defines
> "marquee":
>
> quote
> a permanent canopy often of metal and glass projecting over an entrance
(as of
> a hotel or theater)
> unquote
>
> based on that definition, i'd argue that the information placed on a
physical
> marquee is the equivalent of level 1 and (at least) level 2 headers --
i.e. the
> name of the theater, and the name of the show or picture currently being
shown
> there...
>
> admittedly, BLINK is also quite commonly used to set off a phrase or a
word, as
> in:
>
> <BLINK>NEW!</BLINK>
>
> but i have repeatedly encountered instances where BLINK (again, often in
> conjunction with FONT) was used to emphasize what should have been encoded
as a
> header, or where it (like MARQUEE) was used to add emphasis to what was
already
> encoded as a header...
>
> gregory.
>
> References
> [1] http://www.m-w.com/
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