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Re: "RisK' in "Web Accessibility is Smart Business"

From: Kerstin Probiesch <k.probiesch@googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:07:22 +0200
Message-ID: <BANLkTinsHpTuXS1Xk2bmGxiYKNeKGb2u1w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
Cc: "EOWG (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
Hi Shawn,

thanks for additional information.

> If you have any suggestions on how to make this more clear, we welcome them!

What about: "Chance/possibility/opportunity (one of this) to be
conform with..." Probably it would include the "risks" without naming
them explicitly, but I don't know how it sounds for mainly english
speaking people.

Regards

Kerstin

>
> Regards,
> ~Shawn
>
>
> On 6/21/2011 1:29 PM, Kerstin Probiesch wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shawn,
>> dear EOWG,
>>
>> actually in Germany there is no risk anyway, especially not for the
>> private sector. The experiences from the last years have shown, that
>> there is also no risk for those who have to do it. I don't want to
>> fragment the presentation, but is it possible to have an alternative
>> version for this slide?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Kerstin
>>
>>
>> 2011/6/21 Shawn Henry<shawn@w3.org>:
>>>
>>>  Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input. For some organizations, the legal risk is the
>>> primary
>>> motivator for accessibility, and really the only reason that they do it.
>>> "protect against unintended consequences" does have a nice ring to it,
>>> but
>>> might not work well with non-native speakers. Some felt the more clear "
>>> reduces risk of legal action" would be best in this case. So for this
>>> next
>>> draft we're trying leaving it in -- within the totally different and
>>> positive approach that you agree with below.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~Shawn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/10/2011 7:36 AM, Robert Yonaitis wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Karl that legal action risk statements can be problematic
>>>> and Shadi on being more positive and on the order in which the risk is
>>>> presented in a positive manner:
>>>>
>>>> # Slide 13 [Reduces risk of legal action]: - "reducing the risk of legal
>>>> action"
>>>> I suggest changing the title of the slide to "other benefits" or such
>>>> (as a follow-on from the previous slides), and mentioning some of the
>>>> other benefits such as:
>>>>  - "demonstrating corporate social responsibility"
>>>>  - "complying with the UN Convention on the Rights for Persons with
>>>> Disabilities (CRPD)"
>>>>  - "reducing the risk of legal action"
>>>>
>>>> I would just remove the third line all together and replace it with
>>>> "protect against unintended consequences" and in the speakers notes
>>>> add some discussion on eliminating customers, limiting information
>>>> dissemination, the possible legal hassles etc.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Karl Groves<karl.groves@deque.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the very late timing on this e-mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> The more I think about it, the more I think that having a slide that
>>>>> discusses risk is like leaving a landmine of "fail" out there to get
>>>>> stepped
>>>>> on by the presenter.  It can have a significant effect or it can be
>>>>> like
>>>>> "proving" that accessibility is nothing to be concerned about.  I've
>>>>> been
>>>>> refining my own thoughts regarding risk, and I think the argument is
>>>>> compelling for large organizations.  Of course, the converse is true as
>>>>> well.  Risk for small and medium companies is almost negligible. If
>>>>> these
>>>>> slides are presented by someone without a firm grasp on the exact legal
>>>>> landscape for the audience, it might work against them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, most of the litigation on web accessibility has taken
>>>>> place
>>>>> in the US, with a little bit happening in Canada and UK. The rest of
>>>>> the
>>>>> presentation is universal while this really isn't. Because this is a
>>>>> presentation of the W3C, we may want to avoid being so US-centric here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl L. Groves
>>>>> Director, Training
>>>>> Deque Systems, Inc.
>>>>> Phone:  443.517.9280
>>>>> E-mail:  karl.groves@deque.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Is a non-compliant website putting your organization at risk? Visit
>>>>> www.deque.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>



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