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Re: The use of CSS

From: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:08:01 -0500
Message-ID: <007901bf86bc$fb5b46e0$59b10f18@alex1.va.home.com>
To: "Jonathan Chetwynd" <jay@peepo.com>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: "Sylvie Duchateau" <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>, <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
need to make sure thy run HTML and CSS validation on the examples.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Chetwynd <jay@peepo.com>
To: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>; Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Cc: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>; <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: The use of CSS


> well lets set up full proof examples for people to cut and paste.
>
> jay@peepo.com
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> special needs teacher and
> web accessibility consultant.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
> To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
> Cc: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>; <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 2:14 PM
> Subject: Re: The use of CSS
>
>
> > do have a hammer?  the last sentence nailed it!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
> > To: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
> > Cc: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>; <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: The use of CSS
> >
> >
> > Yes - a number of computer support staff I know of forced everyone to
> > upgrade
> > to a relatively recent version of software as a Y2K precaution. I think
> the
> > big battle is still to convince designers to learn how to use CSS
> properly,
> > and provide good information about what CSS is safe in what
circumstances.
> >
> > Charles McCN
> >
> > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Robert Neff wrote:
> >
> >   CSS has been know to blow up on many versions of browsers.  With Y2K,
IE
> > and
> >   Netscape had sent anotice to everyone stating they needed to upgrade
to
> > the
> >   latest version.  SO in fact, e-commerce may inadvertently help to
remove
> >   barriers to CSS.
> >
> >   /rob
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>
> >   To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
> >   Cc: <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
> >   Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:56 AM
> >   Subject: Re: The use of CSS
> >
> >
> >   > Thank you for your arguments for CSS. I think many people are
> reluctant
> > to
> >   > use css because they do not know how to use them so that they can be
> >   > compatible with most browsers. If you use a css that works with the
> last
> >   > versions of Internet Explorer, those may not work with older
versions
> of
> >   > this browser and with Netscape. We experienced that with a CSS that
> > wirked
> >   > under IE but not under netscape. What should we recommend then?
> >   > I think that Marja's proposal to make a document about the use of
CSS
> is
> > a
> >   > good idea and a necessary thing.
> >   > Regards
> >   > Sylvie
> >   > A 17:15 01/03/2000 -0500, Charles McCathieNevile a écrit :
> >   > >Often this argument is simply false - many browsers also do not
> support
> >   Java
> >   > >or Javascript or animation effects or frames or many other effects.
> >   > >
> >   > >It is important to use things in a way which means they do not
break
> > down
> >   for
> >   > >some people. So using CSS for layout control needs to be done in
such
> a
> >   way
> >   > >that a browser which does not support CSS will still provide an
> >   appropriate
> >   > >layout.
> >   > >
> >   > >Many browsers do support CSS. Netscape, Internet Explorer,
Emacs-W3,
> >   Opera,
> >   > >Neoplanet, the ICE browser component, Mozilla, and others all
provide
> >   good
> >   > >support. And if people are using a browser that doesn't, such as
> >   Braillesurf,
> >   > >lynx, very old versions of Explorer/Netscape, etc then it is very
> > likely
> >   to
> >   > >be because they don't care about layout presentation.
> >   > >
> >   > >Charles McCN
> >   > >
> >   > >On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > >  Hello all,
> >   > >  We recently recommended to a webmaster to use the CSS for the
> layout
> > of
> >   his
> >   > >  site.
> >   > >  He answerded he could not take this recommendation into acount
> > because
> >   many
> >   > >  browsers do not support CSS.
> >   > >  What should we argue to convince him to use them.
> >   > >  Thank you in advance
> >   > >  Sylvie Duchateau
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >--
> >   > >Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org    phone: +61 (0)
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