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Re: The use of CSS

From: Jonathan Chetwynd <jay@peepo.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:42:50 -0000
Message-ID: <002d01bf86ba$0a18cde0$68419fd4@omnibook>
To: "Robert Neff" <robneff@home.com>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: "Sylvie Duchateau" <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>, <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
well lets set up full proof examples for people to cut and paste.

jay@peepo.com

Jonathan Chetwynd
special needs teacher and
web accessibility consultant.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Cc: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>; <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: The use of CSS


> do have a hammer?  the last sentence nailed it!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
> To: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
> Cc: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>; <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: The use of CSS
>
>
> Yes - a number of computer support staff I know of forced everyone to
> upgrade
> to a relatively recent version of software as a Y2K precaution. I think
the
> big battle is still to convince designers to learn how to use CSS
properly,
> and provide good information about what CSS is safe in what circumstances.
>
> Charles McCN
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Robert Neff wrote:
>
>   CSS has been know to blow up on many versions of browsers.  With Y2K, IE
> and
>   Netscape had sent anotice to everyone stating they needed to upgrade to
> the
>   latest version.  SO in fact, e-commerce may inadvertently help to remove
>   barriers to CSS.
>
>   /rob
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Sylvie Duchateau <sduchate@hall.snv.jussieu.fr>
>   To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
>   Cc: <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
>   Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:56 AM
>   Subject: Re: The use of CSS
>
>
>   > Thank you for your arguments for CSS. I think many people are
reluctant
> to
>   > use css because they do not know how to use them so that they can be
>   > compatible with most browsers. If you use a css that works with the
last
>   > versions of Internet Explorer, those may not work with older versions
of
>   > this browser and with Netscape. We experienced that with a CSS that
> wirked
>   > under IE but not under netscape. What should we recommend then?
>   > I think that Marja's proposal to make a document about the use of CSS
is
> a
>   > good idea and a necessary thing.
>   > Regards
>   > Sylvie
>   > A 17:15 01/03/2000 -0500, Charles McCathieNevile a écrit :
>   > >Often this argument is simply false - many browsers also do not
support
>   Java
>   > >or Javascript or animation effects or frames or many other effects.
>   > >
>   > >It is important to use things in a way which means they do not break
> down
>   for
>   > >some people. So using CSS for layout control needs to be done in such
a
>   way
>   > >that a browser which does not support CSS will still provide an
>   appropriate
>   > >layout.
>   > >
>   > >Many browsers do support CSS. Netscape, Internet Explorer, Emacs-W3,
>   Opera,
>   > >Neoplanet, the ICE browser component, Mozilla, and others all provide
>   good
>   > >support. And if people are using a browser that doesn't, such as
>   Braillesurf,
>   > >lynx, very old versions of Explorer/Netscape, etc then it is very
> likely
>   to
>   > >be because they don't care about layout presentation.
>   > >
>   > >Charles McCN
>   > >
>   > >On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:
>   > >
>   > >  Hello all,
>   > >  We recently recommended to a webmaster to use the CSS for the
layout
> of
>   his
>   > >  site.
>   > >  He answerded he could not take this recommendation into acount
> because
>   many
>   > >  browsers do not support CSS.
>   > >  What should we argue to convince him to use them.
>   > >  Thank you in advance
>   > >  Sylvie Duchateau
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >--
>   > >Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org    phone: +61 (0) 409
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>   >
>   >
>
>
> --
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> 136
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