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Re: AUWG needs to review HTML5 from an authoring tools perspective

From: Jan Richards <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:06:13 -0400
Message-ID: <4A7C7B25.6090809@utoronto.ca>
To: WAI-AUWG List <w3c-wai-au@w3.org>
Hi all,

Here are some things I've noticed to get us started:

"Authoring tools are exempt from the strict requirements of using 
elements only for their specified purpose, but only to the extent that 
authoring tools are not yet able to determine author intent."
=> A better phrasing might be that authoring tools should help authors 
meet the strict requirement by not automatically misusing elements or 
encouraging the author to do so (e.g. in documentation)

"The former is the preferred mechanism for tools that author HTML, since 
the structure in the source information can be used to make informed 
choices regarding which HTML elements and attributes are most appropriate."
=> seems too subjective - isn't clear if this section is normative

"However, WYSIWYG tools are legitimate. WYSIWYG tools should use 
elements they know are appropriate, and should not use elements that 
they do not know to be appropriate. This might in certain extreme cases 
mean limiting the use of flow elements to just a few elements, like div, 
b, i, and span and making liberal use of the style attribute."
=> is a troubling statement since it implies WYSIWYG tools can ignore 
semantic markup altogether in "extreme" (undefined) cases

For "4.8.2.1.13 Guidance for markup generators"
=> AUWG should suggest text in line with "ATAG 2.0 Guideline B.2.4" instead.

Cheers,
Jan

PS: I know HTML5 is long, but the points of contact with ATAG appear to 
be a lot fewer than with WCAG and especially UAAG.



Jan Richards wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> WAI-CG has asked each of the WAI working groups to look at HTML5 to see 
> how it might impact their work.
> 
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
> 
> I would suggest:
> 
> - at least skimming the Table of Contents to see what's in HTML5
> 
> - looking at the "Authoring tools and markup generators" in sub-section 2.2
> 
> - noting that 4.8.2.1.13 and nearby subsections gives different guidance 
> that ATAG2
> 
> - Note: HTML also calls authoring tools Markup Generators
> 
> 
> We will be collecting feedback at the next call (Aug 17), because CG 
> wants feedback gather by Aug 19.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jan
> 

-- 
Jan Richards, M.Sc.
User Interface Design Lead
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre (ATRC)
Faculty of Information
University of Toronto

   Email: jan.richards@utoronto.ca
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