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RE: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site

From: Jutta Treviranus <jutta.treviranus@utoronto.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:22:50 -0500
Message-Id: <a05100309b87ca6a09e4e@[142.150.64.191]>
To: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, w3c-wai-au@w3.org
Cc: <paciello@webable.com>
I agree as well. Can you propose some additional or alternative 
wording for the techniques to reflect the points you are making?

Jutta

>At 08:48 AM 2002-01-29 , Mike Paciello wrote:
>>I have noticed that these dual links with ALT are a popular design trend. I
>>believe it's based on the misunderstanding of ALT text use. "We" have been
>>preaching the need for ALT text on images for so long, that designers are
>>including it on every instance and forgetting usability.
>>
>>I think we need to do a better job of educating the designers. Simple as
>>that.
>>
>
>Yes, but why is it that designers have to be repeatedly told [this]?
>
>It is a megatrend and the bane of my existence.
>
>They are following a context-free rule that only takes linear thinking.  Here
>is an IMG, supply an ALT.  All they did was to follow that rule 
>without looking
>around.  They ignore the context.
>
>The better ALT would consider the context in a linear reading.
>
>But from the work-situation of the visual designer willing to JustDoIt for a
>few rules imposed by the boss, that is a radical step beyone what they
>understand they have to do.
>
>My consulting linguist tells me "in English we are rapidly losing constructive
>morphology."  The ability to have people understand a new word you 
>put together
>because you put it together following "the rules."
>
>There is a strong preference in the JustDoIt culture for extreme locality of
>reference; not to have to look around or consider anything but what is dead
>ahead of you.  This is what I mean is a megatrend.  Don't know when or if this
>trend will turn around.
>
>For effective education and outreach, to get the design constraint we wish to
>be effective in the designer's understanding we have to put the form of the
>fluency constraint graphically under their nose.  This can be done 
>with Lynx or
>Home Page Reader or you name it.  But the authoring process has to present the
>author with the text content in a geometry which makes the repetition obvious,
>and makes it look like a mistake.  It is not enough to verbalize an abstract
>pattern in their ear.  We need to use all the senses they have and habitually
>respond to, to impress on them the geometry of the problem, that the words
>should flow.
>
>Sadly, the documentation of techniques for authoring tools has lost sight of
>this master principle.
>
>  Techniques for Authoring Tool Accessibility
>  <http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt>http://www.w
>3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt
>
>
>Al
>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Kelly Ford [<mailto:kelly@kellford.com%5D>mailto:kelly@kellford.com]
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:35 AM
>>>  To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com
>>>  Subject: Re: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi Phil,
>>>
>>>  A couple things jump immediately out at me.  These fall in the
>>>  category of making something really usable in my opinion.  Rather
>>>  not doing them would make the site more usable.
>>>
>>>  1. Several of the links at the beginning of the page use alt text
>>>  phrasing of "this link goes to...".  Just give me the name of the link.
>>>
>>>  2. As you mention there are multiple instances of alt text and
>>>  then a link with the same name.  To me this is where alt=""
>>>  should be used on a graphic that simply duplicates the text of a
>>>  link that is immediately after.
>>>
>>>  Kelly
>>>
>>>
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>    From: Phill Jenkins
>>>    To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com
>>>    Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:01 AM
>>>    Subject: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site
>>>
>>>
>>>    Last week I saw a presentation from VISA about how they are
>>>  sponsoring the
>>>    Paralympics.  They also claim to have made a lot of progress on their
>>>    <http://www.visaparalympics.com/>http://www.visaparalympics.com site.
>>>
>>>    I found the redundant use of alt text to be distracting. Using Home Page
>>>    Reader [1] VISA would be able to see & hear just what I mean,
>  >> for example
>>>    Overview Overview.   Also, the main image of a skier with only
>>>  one leg was
>>>    not described.  But, I really liked the used on skip navigation and the
>>>    link at the bottom that jumps back to the top. It appears to meet
>>>    accessibility standards but could be tweaked to make it more
>>>  easy to use.
>>>
>>>    What do others think?
>>>
>>>    Regards,
>>>    Phill
>>>
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