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Re: ATAG 7.2 to 7.7 and Top Page tool

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
To: pjenkins@us.ibm.com
cc: w3c-wai-au@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910051850320.30037-100000@tux.w3.org>
7.2 doesn't seem to be interpreted correctly (this has happened several
times). The idea was that the rendering in each editing view could be
changed, not that it is possible to change between different views.

The perceived redundancy between 7.3 and 7.4 has been discussed before, and
is noted in the updated issues list. 

http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/tools has assessments of some tools linked from it,
and if you would like to add your assessments they would be useful.


Charles McCN

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 pjenkins@us.ibm.com wrote:

  IBM developers assessed TopPage and WebSphere Studio against the checklist and
  made the following observations regarding checkpoints 7.2 through 7.7.  This can
  serve as a discussion point in our face-to-face and/or as background for the
  techniques document:
  IBM TopPage and WebSphere Studio have at least 4 editing "views" that can be
  selected and switched to back and forth while authoring a document or site.
  There is a traditional WYSIWYG view, an HTML source view, a document structure
  view [known as the universal attribute editor], and pop-up dialogs such as a URL
  editor that included links, images, etc. The actual accessibility of these 4
  "editing views" is reserved for another discussion.  There are also "render
  views", as I'll call them,  that show the page as it would look in IE or
  Netscape with the ability to add browsers [Lynx for text view, Home Page Reader
  for voice, etc.], but of course you can't *edit* in these views.  There is also
  an "after the editing" tool to check a whole site for spelling and alt text or
  create a site map.  HTML validation is done while editing and/or saving and
  loading.  Keep these features in mind as you review the answers to checkpoints
  7.2 through 7.7:
  7.2 Allow the author to change the editing view without affecting the document
  markup. Priority 1
  This allows the author to edit the document according to their personal
  requirements, without changing the way the document looks or is rendered when
  Yes, because all  editing views can be selected and switched between without
  affecting the document markup. These views should be compatible with screen
  readers and magnifiers but not yet verified.  The page can also be previewed in
  any browser.
  7.3 Render an accessible equivalent of each element property. [Priority 1]
  Yes, because the HTML source and document structure views are equivalent views
  of the WYSIWYG view of the elements that make up the page.  This checkpoint
  seems redundant with 7.4.  If it can't be rendered, how can it be edited.  If
  the spec is talking about "previews" by different browsers, then it's not a P1
  nor a needed checkpoint for the tool developer since the author has complete
  control over which browsers he want's to "preview" pages in.
  7.4 Allow the author to edit all properties of each element and object in an
  accessible fashion. [Priority 1]
  Yes, continuing from 7.3, because each element and it's attributes and value are
  editable in multiple ways.  There is even the capability to "add" attributes and
  to of course edit the values of those attributes.
  7.5 Ensure the editing view allows navigation via the structure of the document.
  [Priority 1]
  Yes. because the page structure tree view is provided, and you can easily
  navigate from element to element, expanding and collapsing each element. There
  is also a heading view and a link view.
  7.6 Enable editing of the structure of the document. [Priority 2]
  Yes, because while navigating the structured tree view,  you can edit the
  attributes of the elements.  There is also complete copy/paste of structure
  elements.  The contents of the elements are not editable from the tree view, for
  example the H1 attributes are editable, but the actual H1 text is available to
  be edited in the source, WYSIWYG, and headings view.
  7.7 Allow the author to search within editing views. [Priority 2]
  Yes, there are extensive search and replace capabilites.
  Any comments?
  Phill Jenkins

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