Re: 2.1 a-d: Link Recognition by Reserved Attribute?
David Durand wrote:
> I meant that if we are taking a significantly shrunken subset of HyTime
> Architectural Forms [for instance, I think we can and should avoid any
> restrictions on content models], then it may be simpler to explain what we
> are doing directly, rather than pointing at HyTime, and explaining the
Then what am I to make of Eliot's assertion that XML Linking is
conforming HyTime. I admit that I don't have the time to work
out the details of that. I also don't like restrictions on
content models. It is a lot less ugly as deRose has shown
to use them for linking information.
> If you are defining a scripting language containing only the commands
> "if-then-else", expressions, variable assignment and "while" loops,
> pointing to C++ and saying what to ignore is not a productive explanatory
> strategy. You might mention that C++ compaitibility is a goal, but that
> would be additional information for the intersted, not part of the core
> "Drag in" was intended to say that making normative reference to
> irrelevant information is bad.
That is the sticking point. Is it irrelevant?
> I do want to make XML, and XML linking stand on
> their own, without normative references to ISO standards.
I'm not sure if that goal has any utility. Whereas,
gratuitous references are not useful, normative references
establish a chain of authoritative information. That
does have utility. WG8 is very likely to build the
SGML Lite over XML and that is a win-win for all of us.
> No personal animosity intended, nor religious argument either. I'm
> religious about separating declaration and processing (though if we don't
> define sufficiently powerful processing, I agree with you, we are SOL). I'm
> certainly not religious about HyTime either way. In fact, I'm aggressively
> agnostic. I think you may mistrust me because I'm so ready to question
> HyTime's specific solutions, but I don't regret having spent the time on it
> that I have, nor do I think it should be supressed.
Oh, I don't distrust the questions at all. I wish we had all been
doing this some years ago online and in this fevered way. But
that is past. What I want to see now is a clear authoritative
chain of standards expressed as running code and embraced as
COTS applications. Then we can all go watch deRose ice skate.