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Re: Post-last-call comments on N-Triples notation

From: pat hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:11:05 -0500
Message-Id: <p0600120fbb280b8ed15d@[10.0.100.7]>
To: Brian McBride <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Cc: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org

>  >
>>  The question came up from a team member whether there was a
>>  difference between N-Triples and N3. It was pointed out that
>>  a quite probable way to read "N3" is as 'n-triple'
>
>Really?
>
>I've just asked half a dozen people to pronounce 'N3'; people unfamiliar
>with SW.  They called it "n-three".  I asked several of them if they
>might have said "n-triples" (out of earshot of the others) and the
>general response was "don't be silly".
>
>The participants were all brits except one american.  could be a
>cultural thing I suppose.
>
>This wasn't exactly a well designed human factors experiment - but I
>found no evidence of confusion.
>
>>   (rather than
>>  as 'n-three'). It was suggested that choosing a different name
>>  than N-Triple would avoid (or would have avoided) such kinds
>>  of confusion.
>
>Changing a name can also cause confusion.  I've seen no evidence to date
>of the present name causing confusion, nor is there anything in your
>comment beyond speculation that it might.  N-triples has been so named
>for quite a while now with no complaint.  Weighing the non-zero cost of
>changing it together with the possibility of the change creating the
>very problem that it seeks to avoid against the evidence that a real
>problem exists, I think its unlikely that the WG will want to take this
>comment any further.
>
>Say now if this is not acceptable.
>
>>
>>
>>  Personal comment: Both of the above comments seem to at least
>>                     point to the need for a strong warning
>>                     "Warning: N-Triples in not N3".
>
>http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-testcases/#ntriples begins:
>
>[[
>N-Triples is a line-based, plain text format for encoding an RDF graph.
>It was designed to be a fixed subset of N3
>]]
>
>Is that sufficient?

Attempting to pronounce "NNN" might be the best way to express my 
views of this thread.

Pat

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