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Re: big issue (2001-09-28#13)

From: Graham Klyne <Graham.Klyne@MIMEsweeper.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:03:37 +0100
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011003095612.00aac460@joy.songbird.com>
To: Pat Hayes <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
Cc: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
At 07:22 PM 10/2/01 -0500, Pat Hayes wrote:
>>Dan,
>>
>>Good point!
>>
>>My next question, then, would be:  can bNodes denote literal values?
>>
>>(If we go down this route, I think the answer should be yes.)
>
>Well, they can now, in fact, since the MT allows literal values to be in 
>IR.  For example, this is perfectly satisfiable, when aaa is a URI:
>
>aaa  rdf:type  rdfs:Literal
>
>and therefore so is
>
>_:xxx  rdf:type rdfs:Literal

Sure.  My question was an attempt to give consideration to the debate about 
whether non-disjointness of literal values and resources might create 
problems for description logics built on RDF.

#g


>>At 05:56 PM 10/1/01 -0500, Dan Connolly wrote:
>>>Graham Klyne wrote:
>>>[... lots of stuff that I'd have to re-read in order
>>>to comment intelligently on...]
>>>>  - Does it make sense for literals to have properties; e.g.
>>>>     "Property string" --length--> "15"
>>>>  I think any such properties would be trivial, in the sense that they 
>>>> always
>>>>  can be determined by examination of the literal itself.  So, if 
>>>> prohibited,
>>>>  no expressive power is lost.
>>>
>>>No, now that we've decided that existential quantification
>>>is part of RDF, there *is* expressive power in properties
>>>of literals (strings, XML content constants, ...):
>>>
>>>Consider:
>>>
>>>         <http://www.w3.org/> dc:title _:s.
>>>         _:t charmod:lengthNumeral "15".
>>>
>>>that's true in interpretations where the/a title of
>>>the W3C home page is longer than 15 chars, and
>>>false in other interpretations.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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