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Minutes 2001-12-14

From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:12:44 +0100
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RDFCore WG Minutes for the Telecon 2001-12-14
=============================================

Transcript: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2001-12-14
    Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0094.html

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
-----------------
Syntax WD will be published.
Model Theory WD to be considered for publication next time.
Primer is progressing.
Difference between ID and about test cases approved (in part).

DECISIONS
---------
DECISION 2001-12-14#1 Publish syntax WD, with editorial changes.
DECISION 2001-12-14#2 Test cases ID-and-about test1,error1 are approved.

ACTIONS
-------
ACTION 2001-12-14#1 Pat Hayes
       Copy current editor's draft to www-archive@w3.org
       and tell WebOnt WG of its existence.
ACTION 2001-12-14#2 Jos De Roo; Review Model Theory WD.
ACTION 2001-12-14#3 Jeremy Carroll; Review Model Theory WD.
ACTION 2001-12-14#4 Patrick Stickler; Review Model Theory WD.
ACTION 2001-12-14#5 Dave Beckett; Get revision to be published to Eric.
ACTION 2001-12-14#6 Eric Miller; Act as team contact for publication.
ACTION 2001-12-14#7 Jeremy Carroll; look at #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
closely
ACTION 2001-12-14#8 Jan Grant; look at #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
closely
ACTION 2001-12-14#9 Aaron Swarz; Sing golden triples for us all.

1: Allocate scribe
   Jan Grant scribe.
   Jeremy Carroll to write minutes.

2: Roll Call

Present
-------
Brian McBride
Eric Miller
Dave Beckett
Jeremy Carroll
Jos De Roo
Jan Grant
Frank Manola
Stephen Petschulat
Patrick Stickler
Mike Dean
Pat Hayes
Sergey Melnik (late)

Absent
------
Dan Brickley
Frank Boumphrey
Ron Daniel
Bill dehOra
Rael Dornfest
Martyn Horner
Yoshiyuki Kitahara
Michael Kopchenov
KWON, Hyung-Jin
Ora Lassila
Satoshi Nakamura
Pierre G. Richard
R. V. Guha

Regrets
-------
Dan Connolly
Graham Klyne
Aaron Swartz


3: Review Agenda
  No AOB

4: Next telecon - 10am Boston time, 11 Jan 2002
  Agreed.

5: Review Minutes of 2001-12-07 with correction
  Approved.
[[[
See:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0089.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0092.html
]]]

6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
[[[
ACTION: 2001-11-16#4 Eric
Have updated copy available to group by 5PM EST Monday 19-Nov-2001

see:
  http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-20011101.html

ACTION: 2001-11-16#5 Pat
Post updated copy of model theory, with datatype discussion elided, for
group review by Wednesday 21-Nov-2001

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0082.html

ACTION: 2001-11-16#9 FrankM
Clarify the architectural and other broader concerns with any datatyping
scheme that must be considered.

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0070.html

ACTION: 2001-11-30#1 Dan Connolly
Review rdfs-transitive-subSubProperty test cases.

ACTION: 2001-11-30#9 Jeremy Carroll
Write up XML Schema structures datatyping proposal as e-mail to group.

ACTION: 2001-12-07#1  bwm
add link on wg page to primer rought working draft

see:
  http://jigedit.w3.org/bmcbride/WWW/2001/sw/RDFCore/Overview.html#documents

ACTION: 2001-12-07#4 Aaron
Relay comments from RDFIG on difference between id and about

see:

http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-abou
t

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0084.html

ACTION: 2001-12-07#5 bwm
review test cases for rdfms-difference-between-id-and-about

see:

http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-abou
t

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0091.html

see:

http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-
about/

ACTION: 2001-12-07#6 DaveB
to flag aboutEach removal in Syntax document and bring this to the attention
of the RDFIG

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0075.html

ACTION: 2001-12-07#8  Sergey
produce new data type document by next Wednesday for review by next Friday's
teleconference

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0065.html
]]]

So confirmed.


7: Confirm Status of Withdrawn Actions
[[[
ACTION: 2001-11-30#7 Pat Hayes
Write up P for inclusion in Sergey's document
]]]
Not confirmed; action in open state.


8: CVS Access to W3C
[[[
ACTION: 2001-11-30#3 Jan Grant Get access to test case areas of W3C site
]]]
Continued.

9: Status of Primer
Currently work progressing on outline.
Plenty of body material already, but structure needs iteration.


10: Model Theory WD
We are aiming to approve publication at the next telecon.
We wish to draw the WebOnt WG's attention to the current
editor's draft. (WebOnt WG Face2Face on 14th/15th Jan).

ACTION 2001-12-14#1 Pat Hayes
       Copy current editor's draft to www-archive@w3.org
       and tell WebOnt WG of its existence.
ACTION 2001-12-14#2 Jos De Roo; Review Model Theory WD.
ACTION 2001-12-14#3 Jeremy Carroll; Review Model Theory WD.
ACTION 2001-12-14#4 Patrick Stickler; Review Model Theory WD.
11: Syntax WD
[[[
Propose publish new syntax WD
]]]
DECISION 2001-12-14#1 Publish syntax WD, with editorial changes.

The chair noted that
 - the amount of WG review was disappointing
 - a Working Draft is a Draft.

The editor identified the following changes still to be made:
  - add an example
  - add a URI ID example
  - add a "changes" section (everything has changed).


ACTION 2001-12-14#5 Dave Beckett; Get revision to be published to Eric.
ACTION 2001-12-14#6 Eric Miller; Act as team contact for publication.


12: Issue: #rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-about
[[[
Propose the WG:

  o  resolves that new syntax WD resolves this issue.

  o  Approve test cases for this issue

See:

http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-abou
t

http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-
about/
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Dec/0091.html
]]]
DECISION 2001-12-14#2 Test cases ID-and-about test1,error1 are approved.

Test case
http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-
about/test2.rdf
was not approved because it interacts with I18N issues,
that are unresolved.

13: Issue: #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
[[[
Propose the WG:

  o  resolves that new syntax WD resolves this issue.

See:
  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
]]]
Some discussion, resulting in.
ACTION 2001-12-14#7 Jeremy Carroll; look at #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
closely
ACTION 2001-12-14#8 Jan Grant; look at #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
closely

We will try to close it next time.

14: Review test cases on para 196
[[[
ACTION: 2001-11-30#5 Dave Beckett Create test case showing that the 2nd URL
in Para 196 is permitted.
See:
  http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/rdfcore/rdfms-para196
]]]

Jos has reviewed it,
ACTION 2001-12-07#3 Jeremy Review test cases on para 196
continued.

15: Datatypes
General discussion.


Closing discussion
-------------------
ACTION 2001-12-14#9 Aaron Swarz; Sing golden triples for us all.
Frank's seasonal triple: "ho" "ho" "ho" .

Meeting closed.
(Datatyping discussion continued).

16: Issue: rdfms-assertion
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