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Re: Latest draft and Schema / DTD

From: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd <dee3@torque.pothole.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:44:20 -0500
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To: "IETF/W3C XML-DSig WG" <w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org>

Uhhhh..., I really didn't mean to start a big thread.  I think Schemas
are fine, I just want the DTDs there also, for this document...


From:  "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." <reagle@w3.org>
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Date:  Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:40:45 -0500
To:  "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" <dee3@torque.pothole.com>
Cc:  dee3@torque.pothole.com, "IETF/W3C XML-DSig WG" <w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org>,
            David Solo <david.solo@citicorp.com>
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>At 00:37 99/11/12 -0500, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd wrote:
> >I didn't understand that you were going to totally banish DTDs.
> >
> >As far as I know, there are essentially no tools that process the
> >current W3C Schema draft.  I think that DTDs will be the dominant
> >description of XML for validation, etc., for at least a year to 18
> >months and will continue to be very useful for at least five to ten
> >years.  Under these circumstances dropping DTDs entirely from the
> >draft greatly reduces its value is a real dis-service to the
> >community.
>DTDs simply do not permit us to do what we would like to do [1], and our XML
>will be used in many circumstances that will not XML validate anyway. In the
>XML context TimBL has suggested that this activity among others use schemas
>I'd ask that we keep the schema declarations I've used in the draft we are
>working on until we post it early next week and the WG can discuss it.
>[1] http://xml.com/pub/1999/07/schemas/dtds.html
>[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/1999OctDec/0023.html
>Message-ID: <011101bf2af1$79e15a40$e5061812@ridge.w3.org>
>From: "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>
>To: <chairs@w3.org>
>Cc: "xml-dev" <xml-dev@ic.ac.uk>, <w3c-xml-plenary@w3.org>
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:31:59 -0500
>Subject: Schemas coming of age: use them
>Agenda item for chairs meeting:
>As I have mentioned in various fora including the AC meeting, xml schemas
>are coming of age.  It is no longer appropriate for a W3C activity to say
>"well, we won't use them because they aren't here yet". They are here --
>there are drafts which you can read and use.
>It is now appropriate for any group developing a W3C xml application (such
>as P3P, xHTML, etc) to use namespaces and schemas.  These should be seen as
>the first, very important, test cases for schema: if xml-schema language
>won't do what you want it to do, then get it fixed.
>Working across more groups takes time but it leads to a consistent result.
>Let's  make sure everything fits together at this stage!
>Keep up the good work, everyone.
>Joseph Reagle Jr.   
>Policy Analyst           mailto:reagle@w3.org
>XML-Signature Co-Chair   http://www.w3.org/People/Reagle/
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