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RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-dusseault-dav-quota-01.txt

From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:16:46 +0200
To: "Jim Luther" <luther.j@apple.com>, <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
Message-ID: <JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCKEHAFKAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de>

> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jim Luther
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:01 PM
> To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
> Subject: Re: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-dusseault-dav-quota-01.txt
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 10:20 AM, Clemm, Geoff wrote:
>
> > Apple's existing properties should not conflict with DAV:quota or
> > DAV:quotaused, since they shouldn't be in the DAV: namespace (surely
> > Apple would not have defined non-standard properties in the DAV:
> > namespace :-).
>
> On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 10:25 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>
> > WebDAV properties are identified using namespaces. Just do not add
> > properties in namespaces you don't control.
>
> Surely I wouldn't do that (because I've read the RFC and understand how

Jim,

I didn't want to imply that it was you who did that. But obviously somebody
else did :-)

> to add non-standard properties to a namespace Apple owns -- for
> example, http://www.apple.com/webdav_fs/props/). However, Apple had
> already shipped products using non-standard properties in the DAV:
> namespace before I had anything to do with WebDAV.
>
> I asked Lisa to revive the "Quota and Size Properties for DAV
> Collections" draft because:
> (a) I think quotas are useful and
> (b) I knew that Apple had done the wrong thing by using quota and
> quotaused in the DAV: namespace and I want to correct that problem as
> quickly as possible.

That's a good thing.

> So... I'm asking forgiveness and asking that the new names don't
> conflict with those Apple already uses. As I noted in an earlier
> message, we fully plan to support the new properties as soon as it
> looks like they are fully defined and won't change.
>
> By the way, you'll find the same problem with the non-standard
> properties defined by Microsoft including DAV:ishidden which has been
> recently discussed on this mailing list [1].

Yes. There are many more in use (or actually not in use, but appearing in
PROPFIND requests) at Microsoft. But that shouldn't be an excuse to copy
this behaviour.

BTW: DAV:ishidden was documented in an Internet Draft that at some point
wasn't updated and therefore expired. It probably was intended to be
published as WG RFC at a later point of time. Lesson: do not use the DAV:
namespace in Internet Drafts, unless they are WebDAV working group drafts
(hint hint).

[1] <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-hopmann-collection-props-00.txt>

> ...

Julian

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