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RE: Issue: PROP_ATTR

From: Julian F. Reschke <julian.reschke@greenbytes.de>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:24:06 +0200
To: "WebDAV WG" <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
Message-ID: <AFEIKENBELCNEGJFCENGEEICDCAA.julian.reschke@greenbytes.de>
Sounds good.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Clemm, Geoff
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:35 PM
> To: WebDAV WG
> Subject: RE: Issue: PROP_ATTR
>
>
> For dead properties, I don't see the issue wrt storing attribute values
> for the root element.  If you are storing attributes on all the nested
> elements (as I believe everyone has agreed), it should be trivial
> to store it on the root element as well.
>
> For live properties, where the server can take advantage of its knowledge
> of the value space for the live property values, then I agree that it
> could be an issue.
>
> So I still prefer saying MUST on all attributes of dead properties,
> and "as specified in the property definition" for live properties.
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Wiggen [mailto:wiggs@wiggenout.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:02 PM
> To: Greg Stein; WebDAV WG
> Subject: RE: Issue: PROP_ATTR
>
>
>
> I agree with Greg et all that "attr2" needs to be stored.
>
> I believe that allowing "attr1" could lead to some interop problems, or we
> need to spec this out a little better:
>
> <D:prop>
>   <theprop attr1="foo"/>
>   <theprop attr1="bar"/>
>   <theprop attr2="fee"/>
> </D:prop>
>
> Is that legal?  Does the attribute make the property unique?  Does simply
> the value of an attribute make it unique?  Or do we (like xmllang) simply
> store one set of attributes for a property?
>
> Also how does one use Dasl with attributes on properties?
>
> I would like to see attributes on the property name not be supported.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Greg Stein
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:06 AM
> To: WebDAV WG
> Subject: Re: Issue: PROP_ATTR
>
>
> The question isn't about attributes in general, it is about *which*
> attributes. Consider the following:
>
>   <D:prop>
>     <theprop attr1="foo">
>       thevalue
>       <subelem attr2="bar"/>
>     </myprop>
>   </D:prop>
>
> I believe everybody would agree that attr2 gets stored. The real
> question is
> about attr1. I see that attribute as part of the element that *names* a
> property, but it isn't part of the property *value*.
>
> IMO, PROP_ATTR is about defining the boundary between property
> naming, and a
> property's value.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:58:21PM -0700, Eric Sedlar wrote:
> > I agree.  There is no reason not to persist attributes.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> > > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Mark A. Hale
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:29 PM
> > > To: WebDAV WG
> > > Subject: RE: Issue: PROP_ATTR
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim:  Thanks for getting the issues list started.
> > >
> > > I believe that WebDAV must permit properties to have attributes.
> > > As you've
> > > pointed out, RDF and PRISM do use them extensively.  A server can
> reformat
> > > the attributes in a subsequent PROPFIND request.  Attrbiutes should be
> > > persistent.
> > >
> > > 	Thanks,
> > >
> > > 	Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> > > > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jim Whitehead
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:54 PM
> > > > To: WebDAV WG
> > > > Subject: Issue: PROP_ATTR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As mentioned in a previous post, now is the time to start
> > > resolving issues
> > > > on the RFC 2518 issues list.  As fate would have it, the first
> > > > issue on the
> > > > list is one that has been contentious in the past. Can we come to
> > > > consensus
> > > > on it now?
> > > >
> > > > Issue: PROP_ATTR
> > > >
> > > > Description:
> > > >
> > > > What is a WebDAV server required to do with XML attributes
> other than
> > > > xml:lang submitted with a PROPPATCH?  This affects how well
> > > WebDAV will be
> > > > able to support RDF, since RDF uses attributes extensively.
> > > >
> > > > Greg Stein originally raised this issue:
> > > >
> > > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/1998OctDec/0089.html
> > > >
> > > > See also:
> > > >
> > > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/1998OctDec/0092.html
> > > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/1998OctDec/0094.html
> > > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/1998OctDec/0095.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
>
Received on Saturday, 14 April 2001 06:24:34 GMT

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