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Re: Internationalization and Registration

From: Stewart Hersey <smh@certaintysolutions.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:17:12 -0800
Message-ID: <002901c06af4$220fd000$0203a8c0@arcanine>
To: <infonuovo@email.com>, <orcmid@email.com>
Cc: <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
Dennis,

The DMware site is fascinating.

You wrote:

"The idea is to provide a place where
people can voluntarily contribute to 
the accumulation of information and 
experience and it can be grown and 
extended as its utility is established."

I have built my career over ten years while evangelizing this idea.

I'll be in attendance @ the AIIM E-Business Seminar:
"Understanding the Critical Issues in Enterprise Content Management"
Tue, Feb 6, 2001 
Clarion Hotel - San Francisco Airport
Millbrae,CA

Perhaps we could speak further about Internationalization in-person at that time.

Cheers,

Stewart Hersey
www.newma.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" <infonuovo@email.com>
To: "Greg Stein" <gstein@lyra.org>; "Jim Whitehead" <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu>
Cc: "Adam Klatzkin" <Adam.Klatzkin@bentley.com>; <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:07 PM
Subject: Internationalization and Registration


> I want to respond on two topics -- the problems being encountered around
> internationalization and the question I swear I saw here about registering
> properties for DAV applications (but I can't find in my WebDAV/DASL folder).
> 
> The internationalization and character set problem is one of those great
> demonstrators of system incoherence that leaves users helpless (the greatest
> one from the recent and present past being end-to-end delivery of e-mail
> with intelligible attachments).  It shows up in all efforts at
> document-management interoperability.  (The ODMA middleware fails to
> implement the ODMA specification concerning character set encodings, and the
> specification fails to provide interoperability across code-page regimes.  I
> am not picking on ODMA, it is simply one I have been struggling with most
> recently.  It demonstrates how intuitively-convenient approaches can fail to
> achieve the goals that are claimed for them.)
> 
> The AIIM DMware site, still under development, is intended to provide a
> forum and resources for (1) exposing these difficulties; (2) identifying
> experiences, practices, and tools that overcome them; and (3) providing a
> place where people can perform open registration of metadata definitions and
> tag sets as a way of fostering reuse and development of commonly-reusable
> definitions.  This can include character sets, encodings, and also collation
> rules specific to different language groups and applications.
> 
> Interoperability and interchange of metadata identifications between
> different systems (e.g., the DAV and XML name-space scheme, the DMA and
> other GUID-based schemes, the ODMA tag scheme, the property set scheme
> shared throughout Microsoft products, and so on) is also to be supported.
> 
> This is not meant to be a grandiose all-embracing database.  The idea is to
> provide a place where people can voluntarily contribute to the accumulation
> of information and experience and it can be grown and extended as its
> utility is established.  I don't have a particular model other than it
> should be easy to use, raise the level of awareness of what there is to pay
> attention to, and be conformable to more-ambitious models for
> metadata-description interchange.
> 
> I am not sure where there is a good forum for continuing discussions on this
> topic -- it is tangential to WebDAV, DASL, and DeltaV, although it crosses
> many interests.
> 
> Because these topics have shown up here, I wanted to invite suggestions from
> participants here on how we might find a mutual interest and take advantage
> of AIIM DMware support in this area.
> 
> I invite further discussion and suggestions on this topic.
> 
> Please respond here or directly to me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Dennis
> 
> AIIM DMware Technical Coordinator
> AIIM DMware http://www.infonuovo.com/dmware
> ODMA Support http://www.infonuovo.com/odma
> ------------------
> Dennis E. Hamilton            tel. +1-425-793-0283
> mailto:orcmid@email.com       fax. +1-425-430-8189
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Greg Stein
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 04:40
> To: Jim Whitehead
> Cc: Adam Klatzkin; w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
> Subject: Re: internationalization
> 
> 
> http://test.webdav.org/dav/ is always available to anybody wishing to do DAV
> testing (against mod_dav).
> 
> Cheers,
> -g
> 
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:54:09PM -0800, Jim Whitehead wrote:
> > Hmm, this is worse than I had feared.  Based on your experience, it seems
> > the best near-term approach is to stick with single-byte latin characters.
> >
> > Looking to the future, however, one of the ways you could help the
> community
> > is by hosting (or allowing me to host) a publically available DAV server
> > that has a directory containing multiple character sets. Ideally, you
> would
> > have a Web site with a picture of what it is supposed to look like, and
> then
> > the area where DAV clients could be directed for testing.  One of the
> > reasons why the current i18n support is so bad is due to the lack of a
> > publically available server that is responding with multi-byte characters.
> >
> > Alternately, perhaps this is something that mod_dav can do, and perhaps
> Greg
> > Stein could provide a multi-byte character testing directory on
> webdav.org.
> > Greg?
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> > Adam Klatzkin writes:
> > > Can anybody offer any advice on implementing an internationalized webDAV
> > > server that will work with existing webDAV clients.
> > > The server I am developing encodes all data in utf-8.  Whenever I return
> > > this multistatus response to Microsoft web folders (under Win2K) if the
> > > utf-8 stream contains all latin (single-byte) characters it works
> > > fine.  If
> > > there are characters in the stream that are multi-byte, web
> > > folders crashes.
> > > e.g.
> > > <D:displayname>My Folder</D:displayname>
> > > ^--- works fine
> > > <D:displayName>["My Folder" in the Arabic unicode
> > > subrange]</D:displayName>
> > > ^--- web folders crashes and explorer goes down with it.
> > >
> > > Under WinNT webfolders does not crash, but I get the following error
> > > "The current operation cannot be completed because an unexpected error
> has
> > > occurred"
> > >
> > > Using Riverfront WebDrive I do not receive any errors but the
> > > UTF-8 data is
> > > displayed as ASCII.
> 
> --
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
> 
> 
Received on Wednesday, 20 December 2000 21:17:02 GMT

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