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RE: [dav-dev] RE: MS IE/Office/Web Folder Behaviors with WebDAV

From: Jim Whitehead <ejw@ics.uci.edu>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:46:19 -0700
To: WebDAV WG <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBIKLAGLCOPGKGADOJGEDIDGAA.ejw@ics.uci.edu>
Accidentally caught by the spam filter.

- Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Nixon [mailto:ed.nixon@lynnparkplace.org]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:29 PM
To: 'WebDAV WG'
Cc: dav-dev@lyra.org
Subject: [Moderator Action] RE: [dav-dev] RE: MS IE/Office/Web Folder
Behaviors with WebDAV


I'm not sure I'm following the use case you describe. I'm assuming you are
using IE to get a file list? Then opening the file with IE?

Does this mean you have checked the 'Open as Web Folder' option in IE's
File>Open menu sequence? If not, you might want to check out what difference
that makes to your scenario.

This situation changes I think when you go at WebFolders from Windows
Explorer. Have you experimented with that?

               ...edN

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dav-dev-admin@lyra.org
> [mailto:dav-dev-admin@lyra.org]On Behalf Of
> Gary M Gershon
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:03 PM
> To: Tim Ellison/OTT/OTI; WebDAV WG
> Cc: dav-dev@lyra.org
> Subject: [dav-dev] RE: MS IE/Office/Web Folder Behaviors with WebDAV
>
>
>  From Tim's response, I realized that LOCKING was likely the
> menu driver
> and I spent more time studying the behavior of Microsoft
> Office.  In the
> process, I think I've answered one of my questions.  To share
> some of my
> observations:
>
> 1.  When using Word or Excel as separately launched
> applications (that is,
> not in the IE browser window), they are properly locking the
> file and do
> enable the File>Save menu choice.  I was able to observe
> locking by using
> Sharemation's very spiffy 'details' web view of the document,
> and could see
> that an exclusive lock was issued.
>
> 2.  Within IE, no lock was issued and the File>Save menu is
> disabled.  It
> was not obvious why this behavior was different, so I went to
> the W98SE
> Start>Settings>Folder Options>File Types>Edit menu to change
> IE so that it
> would launch Excel as a separate application, rather than
> showing it within
> IE's window.  This was enlightening:  The check-box is
> labeled: 'Browse in
> same window' which gives the clear impression that the
> intention is to
> launch a (read-only) browser, and not launch the fully-enabled
> application.  Thus the behaviors of not issuing a lock and
> not enabling the
> File>Save menu are quite consistent for a browser.
>
> My conclusion, at the moment, is that if the user desires to
> click on a MS
> Office document URL to a WebDAV server and edit the document,
> then one
> needs to have modified the File Type entry to un-check the
> 'Browse in same
> window' option.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to build the URL in the
> web page to
> force the application to be launched separately, rather than
> within the IE
> window, so that the workstation's File Type entry wouldn't need to be
> changed?  Perhaps JavaScript, an Applet, or an ActiveX
> control could do
> this?  What would be the best practice?
>
> Gary
>
> Snipped...
> > >1.  Using IE, when launching an MS Office product
> > >(Word/Excel) from a web page URL pointing to a WebDAV
> > >server, the File>Save menu choice is disabled.  One can,
> > >however, do a File>Save As... (Word and Excel are windowed
> > >within IE.)  Can (how does) one enable the File>Save menu
> > >item?  (IE 5.5, Windows 2000, Office 2000).
> >
> >My understanding is that you cannot enable File>Save since
> the clients are
> >not doing LOCKing, and therefore there is no guarantee that you have
> >exclusive access to the resource.  The semantics of Save are
> not supported
> >without LOCK, so you have to choose File>Save As... and
> explicitly accept
> >the consequences of overwriting an existing resource (i.e., are you
> >sure?...)
>
> Snipped...
>
>
>
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