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Re: fragment prose proposal

From: Patrick Stickler <patrick.stickler@nokia.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:37:52 +0200
Message-Id: <9A3C1FFA-7276-11D8-964D-000A95EAFCEA@nokia.com>
Cc: uri@w3.org, ext Graham Klyne <gk@ninebynine.org>
To: tony@tonyhammond.net


On Mar 09, 2004, at 21:08, ext Tony Hammond wrote:

>
>
>> Hi Patrick:
>>
>>> I think that the generalization of what essentially was a content
>>> access mechanism into an mechanism for denoting "secondary resources"
>>> is a failed experiment that will, as the web and SW evolves, offer
>>> less and less utility.
>>>
>>
>> Respectfully, must beg to disagree. This notion of limiting fragment 
>> identifiers to content access only is not how URIs are actually being 
>> used in practice - I can assure you of that. I have seen clear 
>> examples (not mine, mind) in which URIs are being implemented in 
>> production use cases to identify 'secondary' resources wrt 'primary' 
>> resources.

Examples would be useful. I would expect that those 'secondary' 
resources could just
as well have been denoted using URIs without fragids, and their 
relationship (if any)
to the primary resources denoted by the base URIs expressed more 
effectively in RDF.

>> I would suggest that 2396bis has it about right. If the web is to be 
>> restricted to a world of representations alone then it will be sorely 
>> tested as a global information space.

I never proposed such a thing. You apparently have misunderstood me.

>>
>> (The purpose of URIs, I would have thought, is not to provide a 
>> document retrieval mechanism necessarily but to provide node points 
>> for articulating a common information space.)

But this is precisely my problem with URIrefs with fragids. It forces 
one to interpret
such URIs in terms of representation retrieval -- rather than as 
independent nodes
in an information space.

URIrefs with fragids are "second class" web URIs because they force one 
into
the domain of "document retrieval" simply to interpret them.

Patrick


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Patrick Stickler
Nokia, Finland
patrick.stickler@nokia.com
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