W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > site-comments@w3.org > January 2011

Re: W3 still a leader in inconsistency and hypocrisy

From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:19:27 -0600
To: Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Message-Id: <D59C4B50-F564-4411-A16A-C7DD663EAF71@w3.org>
Cc: site-comments@w3.org

On 20 Jan 2011, at 7:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

> As the main site's CSS has recently changed, revisiting the issues  
> raised in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2009Nov/0048.html 
>  and its progeny now seems appropriate.

Hi Felix,

Regarding point 2 first: why not HTML5 yet? I am sure we'll get there.  
It's a question of resources primarily.

Regarding the QA tip on setting a default font size: I have not  
received feedback from many users that the site is unusable with the  
current settings. I am merely reporting that fact, not concluding  
anything from it.

The QA tip articulates the principle (respect user prefs) and the  
practical consideration. I am sorry that you think I am being  
hypocritical in trying to document the situation as I understand it.

If you have suggestions for improving the tip so that people  
understand the story fully, I can certainly try to improve the page.

   Ian

>
> From: http://www.w3.org/
> http://www.w3.org/2008/site/css/advanced line 1:
> body {font-size: .82em}
> http://www.w3.org/2008/site/css/advanced line 4:
> #w3c_container {font-size: 108%}
>
> This nets 88.56% as base font size on the main content wrapper,  
> 14.16px by virtue of most web browsers' default settings.
>
> From http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size (2008 version):
> 'Size: respect the users' preferences, avoid small size for content
>
>    As a base font size for a document, 1em (or 100%) is equivalent  
> to setting the font size to the user's preference. Use this as a  
> basis for your font sizes, and avoid setting a smaller base font size
>    Avoid sizes in em smaller than 1em for text body, except maybe  
> for copyright statements or other kinds of "fine print."'
>
> Current version:
> 'Size: respect the users' preferences, avoid small size for content
>
>    As a base font size for a document, 1em (or 100%) is equivalent  
> to setting the font size to the user's preference.
>        Many users prefer that designers do this because it means  
> that the text size will follow user preferences.
>        However, because many sites do adjust the base font size,  
> setting a base font size to 1em may result in text size that looks  
> inconsistent from other sites. Note: after discussion in 2009, W3C  
> adopted this approach for its own redesigned site.
>    Avoid sizes in em smaller than 1em for text body, except maybe  
> for copyright statements or other kinds of "fine print."'
>
> So, the QA tips page is de facto inconsistent, recommending that  
> readers follow the tip, while the W3 continues to do what it  
> recommends against.




>
> part 2: W3 home page remains XHTML 1.0, while trumpeting HTML5.
> -- 
> "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose
> understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV
>
> Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
>
> Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
>
>

--
Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
Received on Thursday, 20 January 2011 14:19:31 GMT

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.2.0+W3C-0.50 : Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:21:33 GMT