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Re: W3C specs reformatted

From: Ilkka Huotari <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:26:15 +0300
Message-ID: <003701c43f61$1acc22e0$152ca8c0@X1>
To: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>, <site-comments@w3.org>

Ok, I see that this URL
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/IPR-FAQ-20000620#format
talks actually about the same thing - if the content is changed then the
republishing cannot be granted, but if the content stays the same, then
publishing is generally granted.

I will change the stylesheet today, and see that everything complies to the
license.

So, I guess we can consider this conversation as the notification of those
reformatted specs - I assume the knowledge of them ahs spread wide enough
and there wouldn't be any badwill from the publishing - as log as I change
the specs to comply the standards.

Sorry if this was confusing, but it wasn't clear to alt.html folks either -
there were opinions that a permission should be asked if reformatted specs
are distributed, so I decided to do so.

Ilkka

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
To: "Ilkka Huotari" <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>; <site-comments@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: W3C specs reformatted


>
>
> Ilkka Huotari wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for the answer.
> >
> > Could they be published if I change the stylesheets to comply to your
> > standards?
>
> > There isn't any major reason to why I have changed the stylesheets - I
> > didn't know about those rules originally. So I could very easily change
the
> > stylesheets to the same what you have (they could be exactly the same, I
> > think).
>
> Ilkka, it may help for you to read the document license. Everything I am
> telling you comes from there:
>
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
>
>
> "Permission to copy, and distribute the contents of this document, or
> the W3C document from which this statement is linked, in any medium for
> any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby granted, provided that
> you include the following on ALL copies of the document, or portions
> thereof, that you use:
>
>     1. A link or URL to the original W3C document.
>     2. The pre-existing copyright notice of the original author, or if
> it doesn't exist, a notice (hypertext is preferred, but a textual
> representation is permitted) of the form: "Copyright 
> [$date-of-document] World Wide Web Consortium, (Massachusetts Institute
> of Technology, European Research Consortium for Informatics and
> Mathematics, Keio University). All Rights Reserved.
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231"
>     3. If it exists, the STATUS of the W3C document.
>
> When space permits, inclusion of the full text of this NOTICE should be
> provided. We request that authorship attribution be provided in any
> software, documents, or other items or products that you create pursuant
> to the implementation of the contents of this document, or any portion
> thereof."
>
> This is the policy for just making a copy with no modifications.
>
> So, if you were reposting the documents as is on your site, these are
> the rules you have to follow.
>
> > So... if this could help it?
> >
>  >
> > Thanks,
> > Ilkka
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
> > To: "Ilkka Huotari" <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
> > Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>; <site-comments@w3.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: W3C specs reformatted
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dear Ilkka,
> >>
> >>Thank you for your request. Susan Lesch of the W3C Communications team
> >>provided an earlier response, on the site-comments mailing list:
> >>
> >>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2004May/0051.html
> >>
> >>But what remains is whether what you are proposing to do complies with
> >>the Document License at W3C:
> >>
> >>http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
> >>
> >>No right to create modifications or derivatives of W3C documents is
> >>granted pursuant to this license. So, changing the stylesheets and
> >>republishing them is not permitted.
> >>
> >>I appreciate your caution and request, but inform you that it is not
> >>possible for these to be published.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>Janet
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>
> >>
> >>World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> >>
> >>Janet Daly, Head of Communications
> >>MIT/CSAIL, Building 32-G518
> >>32 Vassar Street
> >>Cambridge, MA 02139
> >>
> >>voice: 617.253.5884
> >>fax:   617.258.5999
> >>http://www.w3.org/
> >>janet@w3.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Ilkka Huotari wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>This email concerns the reformatted W3C specs that I made. Only this
> >
> > late I
> >
> >>>am asking you for the permission to do/distribute those versions:
> >>>
> >>>You may (or may not) have seen that I made some reformatted specs of
> >
> > HTML
> >
> >>>4.01, CSS 1, 2, 2.1 specs. The url was http://www.visiomode.com/docs/
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>there were CHMs and web versions.
> >>>
> >>>I just found out that I didn't follow the proper procedure to publish
> >
> > these
> >
> >>>and I want to say that I'm sorry and express my apologies. I did read
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>document use statement which was linked from HTML 4.01 mainpage, but
> >
> > maybe I
> >
> >>>should have been more careful. Your statement
> >>>(http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/copyright-documents-19990405)
grants
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>use and distribution but maybe I was crossing the line with the
> >
> > reformatted
> >
> >>>versions, although I didn't change the content/HTML code.
> >>>
> >>>I made CHMs and web versions, so maybe my versions were actually
> >
> > derivatives
> >
> >>>and not only distribution of your material.
> >>>
> >>>So, I want to now ask for your permission to do the conversion (well,
> >
> > it's
> >
> >>>already done), and the permission of distribution. If you haven't seen
> >
> > these
> >
> >>>reformatted specs, I can email them/put them somewhere for you to view.
> >>>
> >>>There is a discussion at alt.html wth the subject line "W3C specs
> >>>reformatted."
> >>>
> >>>So, sorry again for my hasty actions... I tried to follow the right
> >>>procedure, but apparently I made an error.
> >>>
> >>>Ilkka Huotari
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> -- 
>
>
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>
> Janet Daly, Head of Communications
> MIT/CSAIL, Building 32-G518
> 32 Vassar Street
> Cambridge, MA 02139
>
> voice: 617.253.5884
> fax:   617.258.5999
> http://www.w3.org/
> janet@w3.org
>
>
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