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Re: W3C specs reformatted

From: Ilkka Huotari <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:43:42 +0300
Message-ID: <002801c45468$ba083ad0$152ca8c0@X1>
To: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>, <site-comments@w3.org>

Just for your information;

There is a CHM of HTML 4.01 here too...
http://html.conclase.net/w3c/html401-es/cover.html
http://html.conclase.net/w3c/html401-es/html401-es.chm

It's not mine, but I just noticed that some other people have had the same
idea of CHMs of the specs.

(And ... I would be interested to work on such a format if you would be
interested on co-operation).

Regards,
Ilkka


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
To: "Ilkka Huotari" <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>; <site-comments@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: W3C specs reformatted


>
>
> Ilkka Huotari wrote:
>
> > Ok, I see that this URL
> > http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/IPR-FAQ-20000620#format
> > talks actually about the same thing - if the content is changed then the
> > republishing cannot be granted, but if the content stays the same, then
> > publishing is generally granted.
>
> No, Ilkka, what the Document license, which applies in this case, says is:
>
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
>
>
> And what it says is:
>
> No right to create modifications or derivatives of W3C documents is
> granted pursuant to this license.
>
> Adding additional stylesheets is a modification. It changes the bits in
> the document.
>
> > I will change the stylesheet today, and see that everything complies to
the
> > license.
> >
> > So, I guess we can consider this conversation as the notification of
those
> > reformatted specs - I assume the knowledge of them ahs spread wide
enough
> > and there wouldn't be any badwill from the publishing - as log as I
change
> > the specs to comply the standards.
>
> Please see above. If you modify them, you are not in compliance with the
> Document License. It's more than copyright that applies.
>
> > Sorry if this was confusing, but it wasn't clear to alt.html folks
either -
> > there were opinions that a permission should be asked if reformatted
specs
> > are distributed, so I decided to do so.
>
> I read the thread. It would have been better to ask first.
>
> > Ilkka
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
> > To: "Ilkka Huotari" <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
> > Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>; <site-comments@w3.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: W3C specs reformatted
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Ilkka Huotari wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for the answer.
> >>>
> >>>Could they be published if I change the stylesheets to comply to your
> >>>standards?
> >>
> >>>There isn't any major reason to why I have changed the stylesheets - I
> >>>didn't know about those rules originally. So I could very easily change
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>stylesheets to the same what you have (they could be exactly the same,
I
> >>>think).
> >>
> >>Ilkka, it may help for you to read the document license. Everything I am
> >>telling you comes from there:
> >>
> >>http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
> >>
> >>
> >>"Permission to copy, and distribute the contents of this document, or
> >>the W3C document from which this statement is linked, in any medium for
> >>any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby granted, provided that
> >>you include the following on ALL copies of the document, or portions
> >>thereof, that you use:
> >>
> >>    1. A link or URL to the original W3C document.
> >>    2. The pre-existing copyright notice of the original author, or if
> >>it doesn't exist, a notice (hypertext is preferred, but a textual
> >>representation is permitted) of the form: "Copyright 
> >>[$date-of-document] World Wide Web Consortium, (Massachusetts Institute
> >>of Technology, European Research Consortium for Informatics and
> >>Mathematics, Keio University). All Rights Reserved.
> >>http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231"
> >>    3. If it exists, the STATUS of the W3C document.
> >>
> >>When space permits, inclusion of the full text of this NOTICE should be
> >>provided. We request that authorship attribution be provided in any
> >>software, documents, or other items or products that you create pursuant
> >>to the implementation of the contents of this document, or any portion
> >>thereof."
> >>
> >>This is the policy for just making a copy with no modifications.
> >>
> >>So, if you were reposting the documents as is on your site, these are
> >>the rules you have to follow.
> >>
> >>
> >>>So... if this could help it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Ilkka
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Janet Daly" <janet@w3.org>
> >>>To: "Ilkka Huotari" <ihuotari@cc.hut.fi>
> >>>Cc: <site-policy@w3.org>; <site-comments@w3.org>
> >>>Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:18 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: W3C specs reformatted
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Dear Ilkka,
> >>>>
> >>>>Thank you for your request. Susan Lesch of the W3C Communications team
> >>>>provided an earlier response, on the site-comments mailing list:
> >>>>
> >>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2004May/0051.html
> >>>>
> >>>>But what remains is whether what you are proposing to do complies with
> >>>>the Document License at W3C:
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
> >>>>
> >>>>No right to create modifications or derivatives of W3C documents is
> >>>>granted pursuant to this license. So, changing the stylesheets and
> >>>>republishing them is not permitted.
> >>>>
> >>>>I appreciate your caution and request, but inform you that it is not
> >>>>possible for these to be published.
> >>>>
> >>>>Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>Janet
> >>>>
> >>>>-- 
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> >>>>
> >>>>Janet Daly, Head of Communications
> >>>>MIT/CSAIL, Building 32-G518
> >>>>32 Vassar Street
> >>>>Cambridge, MA 02139
> >>>>
> >>>>voice: 617.253.5884
> >>>>fax:   617.258.5999
> >>>>http://www.w3.org/
> >>>>janet@w3.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Ilkka Huotari wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This email concerns the reformatted W3C specs that I made. Only this
> >>>
> >>>late I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>am asking you for the permission to do/distribute those versions:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You may (or may not) have seen that I made some reformatted specs of
> >>>
> >>>HTML
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>4.01, CSS 1, 2, 2.1 specs. The url was http://www.visiomode.com/docs/
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>there were CHMs and web versions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I just found out that I didn't follow the proper procedure to publish
> >>>
> >>>these
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>and I want to say that I'm sorry and express my apologies. I did read
> >>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>document use statement which was linked from HTML 4.01 mainpage, but
> >>>
> >>>maybe I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>should have been more careful. Your statement
> >>>>>(http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/copyright-documents-19990405)
> >
> > grants
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>use and distribution but maybe I was crossing the line with the
> >>>
> >>>reformatted
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>versions, although I didn't change the content/HTML code.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I made CHMs and web versions, so maybe my versions were actually
> >>>
> >>>derivatives
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>and not only distribution of your material.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So, I want to now ask for your permission to do the conversion (well,
> >>>
> >>>it's
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>already done), and the permission of distribution. If you haven't
seen
> >>>
> >>>these
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>reformatted specs, I can email them/put them somewhere for you to
view.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There is a discussion at alt.html wth the subject line "W3C specs
> >>>>>reformatted."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So, sorry again for my hasty actions... I tried to follow the right
> >>>>>procedure, but apparently I made an error.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ilkka Huotari
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>-- 
> >>
> >>
> >>World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> >>
> >>Janet Daly, Head of Communications
> >>MIT/CSAIL, Building 32-G518
> >>32 Vassar Street
> >>Cambridge, MA 02139
> >>
> >>voice: 617.253.5884
> >>fax:   617.258.5999
> >>http://www.w3.org/
> >>janet@w3.org
> >>
> >>
>
> -- 
>
>
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>
> Janet Daly, Head of Communications
> MIT/CSAIL, Building 32-G518
> 32 Vassar Street
> Cambridge, MA 02139
>
> voice: 617.253.5884
> fax:   617.258.5999
> http://www.w3.org/
> janet@w3.org
>
>
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