W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > semantic-web@w3.org > March 2019

Re: How to fund a website for getting started with RDF applications?

From: Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:10:41 +0000
Message-ID: <CABWJn4Riy1_VPFDF+xHwaPoL2QOVYAgDzKh274NQNHcQd3QvsQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com>
Cc: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>, semantic-web <semantic-web@w3.org>
well now, the biggest of them all namely Oracle is actually a member
of W3C. And as far as I can see Oracle is currently (actually for the
last 10 years or so) quite happy with the PG narrative as it suits its
notion of a graph in the current product lineup better than RDF,

Also David, you mentioned digital ad technology only as an
afterthought in your opening statement. I would argue that this topic
(in terms of standards and technologies) should take a much more
prominent role in the W3C agenda as it hits the industry where it
hurts most.  It's the business model for the World Wide Web since its
inception why not spend more time on ad networks and the distribution
of content and last but not least the revenue in context of digital
advertisement rather than just tolerate its use in this  funding

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:13 PM Martynas Jusevičius
<martynas@atomgraph.com> wrote:
> There are some valid points, especially re. centralized and
> theme-based learning materials, but I can't shake the feeling that the
> PG community (i.e. mostly vendors) is controlling this narrative.
> Marketing is what they're good at.
> The unintended (?) consequence of this effort might be reinforcing the
> notion that RDF is "hard", complicated and somehow inadequate [1]. How
> does this help outreach? It sure does for PGs, but not RDF.
> Why not make the communication more positive? That RDF is good at what
> it does, and the effort is about showing and enabling this value for a
> broader developer audience.
> Also curious how W3C is jumping into PG standardization despite main
> PG DB vendors not being W3C members [2]. Is that how the process is
> supposed to work?
> If RDF-bashing is continued, they will soon control more than the 17%
> market share you show in your slides. Which might be the point.
> [1] http://book.validatingrdf.com/bookHtml005.html
> [2] https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:27 PM David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote:
> >
> > How should a central website for getting started with RDF-related
> > applications be funded and administered?
> >
> > Many major development technologies have a central website that gives
> > newcomers everything they need to get started with that technology:
> > tutorials, downloads, etc.   RDF does not.  Tools and learning resources
> > are scattered, and the landscape is littered with abandonware.
> > Newcomers have a difficult time figuring out what to use and how to
> > start.  This problem was discussed both at the W3C Graph Data workshop
> > in Berlin last week, and at the US Semantic Technology Symposium this
> > week at Duke University.  See slides 68-74:
> > https://tinyurl.com/EasierDuke
> >
> > RDF needs a central website for newcomers.   But how should it be funded
> > and administered?  My thoughts so far:
> >
> >   - Community engagement is essential, but a wiki-like model that is
> > entirely community driven would not work.   Multiple attempts along
> > those lines have already been made, and they have become abandonware
> > after their main contributors moved on to other activities.
> >
> >   - Curation is essential.  The site should not simply hold a long list
> > of potential tools.  It needs to guide users more selectively through
> > the jungle, by recommending specific sets of tools that are most likely
> > to make the user successful.  Ideally the site should also point out
> > alternative tools.
> >
> >   - Tool selection is a judgement call, and different people will not
> > all make the same choices for a given use case.  Nonetheless, such
> > judgement calls are extremely helpful to newcomers.  Therefore, we need
> > to figure out the right community-driven mechanisms for informing or
> > making these judgement calls.  (As an example, judgement calls like this
> > are made routinely for every release of Red Hat or Ubuntu when those
> > organizations decide which packages to include.  What process do they
> > use?)
> >
> >   - Curation adds crucial value, but it also costs real money (or time)..
> >   Web hosting costs are trivial in comparison.  How should the site be
> > funded?   As a non-profit, from contributions?   Vendors and big RDF
> > users might be convinced to donate.  What should they get in return?
> > Exposure?   Some advertising?
> >
> >   - If ads are included, they must be relevant, unobtrusive and have no
> > animation or sound.
> >
> >   - Diversity of use cases.  Because of the wide variety of RDF use
> > cases, it would be best to provide different tracks for different kinds
> > of use cases, such as:
> >
> >     - Content organization by metadata (for libraries, etc.)
> >
> >     - Data integration (multiple data sources & data models)
> >
> >     - OWL reasoning (e.g., with OBO Foundry ontologies)
> >
> >   - How to balance free and open source with commercial interests?  The
> > main focus should be on free and open source software: a newcomer should
> > be quickly successful using only free and open source software.  But
> > pointers to commercial tools and services should be considered also,
> > both to help users find them, and to have vendor support of the site.
> > However, the commercial aspect must be managed and balanced properly, to
> > prevent the site from smelling like yet another marketing ploy.
> >
> > I am interested to hear other thoughts or ideas.   Also, please let me
> > know (privately or publicly) if you are keen on helping to figure this
> > out and get this going.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > David Booth
> >


Marco Neumann
Received on Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:11:27 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:11:28 UTC