Re: Semantic Web Interest Group now closed

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On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 4:53 AM Phillip Rhodes <motley.crue.fan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Keep the list as is. I don't care about the mechanics of the "behind the
> scenes" W3C book-keeping, but inertia is a real thing, and it's a lot
> easier to keep people subscribed to, and talk in, this list as opposed to
> asking people to join (a) new list(s), etc.
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> Phil
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> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:10 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> +1 to keep list as is.
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>> On Friday, October 19, 2018 3:31 PM, adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> From Camus, "because as he framed it "naming things badly adds to the
>> misfortune of the world"." That is a biblical reference, or sort of
>> anti-reference, too.
>> Well it's an interesting and delightful discussion. I find it funny that
>> people are thinking to rename the list, I very much like the name it has!
>> But if you will excuse the whimsy, how about w3, then it would be
>> w3@w3.org. I'm making mischief. You know that Gavin Wood
>> http://gavwood.com/ claims to have coined the term web 3? "I came up
>> with the terms 'web three' and 'allegality'."
>> He manages make 2014 seem such a long time ago!
>> Anyway, this touches on many issues: naming, appropriation,
>> reappropriation, truth, lies, falsehood.
>> I'm not meaning to poke great fun at Gavin Wood apart from so as to say I
>> believe there are lies and serious lies. Serious lies are those to do with
>> our own personal psychology.
>> Surely, I can see that all of this is for another discussion.
>> Still, we can speak truly and we can speak falsely, we can name correctly
>> and we can name incorrectly.
>> How interesting then the allusion to the "outerverse", the objective or
>> outer mind of the deity where names are just given.
>> Working in the semantic web people know that names and concepts are not
>> "just given". Where do they come from, how are they established? Can an AI
>> help, perhaps working with the most carefully crafted ontology, or was that
>> even ever the aim?
>> I think not, however the discussion doesn't end here ….
>>
>> Adam
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>> Adam Saltiel
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>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 1:54 PM, Nicolas Chauvat nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr
>> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 02:09:48PM -0700, Dan Brickley wrote:
>> > May I gently suggest that the name isn't the core problem here?
>>
>> In my opinion, the core problem the Web is trying to solve is "How
>> could we share the things we have in our computers in a way that is
>> interoperable and as simple as it could be ?".
>>
>> URLs being names for the things we share on the Web, I would argue
>> that names are at the core of the Web and that the great advance of
>> the Web was to embody the idea of hypertext by building on the already
>> working Domain Name System (names again).
>>
>> RDF is a special case among the languages that are used to share data
>> over the Web because its uses web-enabled names (URLs) to encode the
>> data. It is like sending a text to someone after annotating each and
>> every single word with its entry in a specific edition of a
>> dictionnary. Say good bye to polysemy and hello to immediate lookup of
>> definitions.
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>> That core problem stated, I can't help thinking with
>> https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q34670 that naming is very important
>> in any thought process, because as he framed it "naming things badly
>> adds to the misfortune of the world".
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>> And what we are doing on this list if not thinking about and designing
>> the tools to solve the above problem ? If we can agree on the right
>> names for the different parts of the Semantic Web we have been
>> designing, I believe we are making progress.
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Chauvat
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