Re: AIML? from Paola Di Maio on 2018-06-27 (semantic-web@w3.org from June 2018)

From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:52:48 +0530
To: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com>
Cc: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>, brandon whitehead <brandonnodnarb@gmail.com>, "Eric Prud'hommeaux" <eric@w3.org>, semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>
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thank you Martynas

I become a little confused, because I consider turtle a type of RDF
we ll keep Turtle in mind when we get to this work

I presume encoding ( xml to rdf to turtle mapping/conversion) should not be
a problem?

the problem  is modelling the domain

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com
> wrote:

> If you're thinking RDF graphs, they have multiple different syntaxes. One
> of them is based on XML markup (RDF/XML), which is useful in an XML
> pipeline.. But plain text-based Turtle syntax is much more human-readable.
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for sharing Milton
>>
>> nice pointer to this interesting project  but, isnt markup languages still
>> required/useful for representation even in knowledge graphs?
>>
>> and if not, isnt markup language the most basic way to enable intelligent
>> knowledge exchange on the web
>> so that it can be useful even without a knowledge graph?
>>
>> pdm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:22 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
>> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Modeling AI on the web in my humble opinion is no longer a question of
>>> simple markup languages, the Internet of Things or more succinctly Internet
>>> of Data, Devices, DNA and Digital Agents (IOD4) increasingly uses both AI
>>> and virtual reality technologies.
>>>
>>> In such a setting using ontologies, parsers and any automated process
>>> that codes or decodes and interfaces, either in NL setting or otherwise
>>> must use of category theory to create the required abstraction for
>>> knowledge graphs.
>>>
>>> Take a look at the Blue Brain Nexus for lateral thinking:
>>>
>>> BlueBrain/nexus <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus>
>>>
>>> BlueBrain/nexus
>>> nexus - Blue Brain Nexus - A knowledge graph for data-driven science
>>> <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus>
>>>
>>> Milton Ponson
>>> GSM: +297 747 8280
>>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
>>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
>>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
>>> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:29 AM, Paola Di Maio <
>>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot
>>>
>>> looks useful- and a good start
>>>
>>> so MLschema is in practice a... MLML.?
>>> a draft -
>>>
>>> is it suggested that all knowledge schemas to support
>>> automated reasoning and AI should/could adopt its core elements as its
>>> base
>>> (in which I could think if/how this can help my task maybeevaluate it
>>> against our use cases)
>>>
>>> I checked out OpenML and found no credits, who did it, when etc
>>> also it is not clear if its openmarkuplanguage or openmedialibrary
>>> since both seem associated with the same group (Kronos? are they
>>> associated with OKF ?)
>>>  both come up in searches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 6:58 PM, brandon whitehead <
>>> brandonnodnarb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Paola,
>>> The machine learning community group [1] published a draft core schema
>>> about a year ago that, at the very least, may be of  interest (link on
>>> main page).
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/ ml-schema/
>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/ml-schema/>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> /Brandon
>>>
>>> On 12/05/18 11:51, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>> > Eric
>>> > Yes, of course getting the key stakeholders involved-
>>> >
>>> >  since you are familiar with the member base
>>> > i ll be happy to pitch directly members who are working on AI
>>> > if you could suggest a way to shortlist them/approach them
>>> >
>>> > P
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org
>>> > <mailto:eric@w3.org>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     * Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com
>>> >     <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com >> [2018-05-12 15:15+0530]
>>> >     > Thank you Eric
>>> >     >
>>> >     > at this stage, I was thinking of some web based knowledge
>>> representation
>>> >     > mechanism or ML for something that I am working on related to AI
>>> >     > (I have learned my lessons- glad to share details of this early
>>> concept
>>> >     > offlist to those who may express interest until it's solid )
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I did a search, and found AIML which seems the closest to what I
>>> require
>>> >     > however could not find a formal specification to study it
>>> further, and
>>> >     > wondered about any interest to W3C.
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I am pretty sure the web needs what I am thinking of, to what
>>> extent its
>>> >     > feasible or we can find folks to do it and adopt it, I dunno
>>> >
>>> >     To motivate standardization, you have to dig up use cases that not
>>> >     only need some technology, but motivate distinct entities using a
>>> >     common form or interface to that technology. So a win would be
>>> >     e.g. when folks can combine commodity tools to generate such data
>>> >     with commodity tools which make use of it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     > >  There's nothing saying you
>>> >     > > can't have a hybrid system which e.g. uses SemWeb for entity
>>> >     > > recognition (à la NCBO annotator) or records ML assertions in
>>> >     RDF for
>>> >     > > further rule execution. That requires people to have expertise
>>> and
>>> >     > > commitment in both camps and so far, those folks haven't banded
>>> >     > > together with a set of shared use cases and goals.
>>> >     >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > Am thinking of something fluid,  ML should be sufficient for my
>>> >     requirement
>>> >     > at this stage- also confess that i favour simplicity over
>>> >     sophistication
>>> >     >
>>> >     > but could not find anything that does what I require so thinking
>>> maybe
>>> >     > something can be done-
>>> >     >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > > If you can muster
>>> >     > > the troops (an army of five, to be exact), you can easily
>>> create
>>> >     a W3C
>>> >     > > Community Group (see [CREATE A COMMUNITY GROUP] at
>>> >     > > <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/
>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/>
>>> >     <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/
>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/>>>).
>>>
>>> >     > >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > yep, done it before. I chaired a nice group that did good work
>>> for
>>> >     one year
>>> >     > then suddenly fell silent and I am still traumatized  by the
>>> >     experience. :-)
>>> >     > (joke - it was valuable!)
>>> >     >
>>> >     >  anyone interested in AI ML of sorts who is reliable and
>>> >     competent  (not
>>> >     > afraid of failure?) welcome to brainstorm offlist to discuss
>>> early
>>> >     stage
>>> >     > concept for this work
>>> >     >
>>> >     > , I need specifically folks who can do implementation side of
>>> things
>>> >     > (writing a parsers for validation, and implement the test cases
>>> >     etc) and
>>> >     > who are good at getting research funding - I am okay with the
>>> >     concept and
>>> >     > system design part, and that's about it
>>> >     >
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > >
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > > The tutorial seemed to be about a template language for natural
>>> >     > > language interfaces while the overview seemed to go more into
>>> the
>>> >     > > actual processing logic. Do you know if AIML captures AI logic
>>> and
>>> >     > > what use cases would motivate favoring such a standard for
>>> Semantic
>>> >     > > Web work?
>>> >     > >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > No, guess not but not sure. AIML seems very very thin at the
>>> moment,
>>> >     > although there is a free working prototype online which seems to
>>> >     be using it
>>> >     > https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/
>>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/> <https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/
>>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/>>
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I think there's work to be done-
>>> >     >
>>> >     > >
>>> >     > >
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