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Re: With footnotes (was Re: Open Access to Journal of Web Semantics (JWS))

From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 12:25:37 +0000
Message-ID: <CAE1ny+50tuZm96_AQ5AojC_cMUdD4uBbK12CdRRgj-b0u1R6eQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Congrats for that getting this nearly open access policy. My opinion is
that this is about as much as we can expect from for-profit academic
publishers, and I would like to congratulate Ian and the rest for getting
these concessions out of Elsevier. So, I can go back to reviewing for this
journal - and I do think high quality peer review is important, and see
good reason for keeping it anonymized.

In terms of the rest of the complaints, it should be obvious the academic
publishing world is for profit with all that entails. Nonetheless, this is
better than 99% of the rest.

In terms of RDF dogfooding, there are unsolved  practical problems ranging
from the failure of MathML in modern browsers (i.e. why scientific
publishing uses LaTeX) to the long history of having difficulty with RDF
uptake in general. I wish good luck to anyone trying to solve these
problems that have been outstanding for about two decades.

If one doesn't use mathematics or academic peer revuew, and wants to
experiment with the magic of RDF, perhaps digfooding a blog is more
productive than complaining about CFPs. Once a great system works and is
production ready, I am sure there would be a sympathetic response from
academics and publishers.

   Yours,
      Harry

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>
wrote:

> An important correction:
>
> Articles on the preprint server are post-review, and differ from the
> published version only w.r.t. formatting.
>
> Ian Horrocks
> Editor in Chief
> Journal of Web Semantics
>
>
>
> > On 8 Aug 2017, at 20:27, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
> >
> > On 2017-08-08 19:16, Ian Horrocks wrote:
> >> I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free open access via
> its preprint server:
> >>
> >> http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
> >>
> >> You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive of all
> articles published in the journal going back to Vol 1, No 1 (2003).
> >>
> >> Ian Horrocks
> >> Editor in Chief
> >> Journal of Web Semantics
> >
> >
> > I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free [1] open access
> > via its preprint server [2]:
> >
> > http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
> >
> > You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive [3] of
> > all articles published in the journal [4] going back to Vol 1, No 1
> > (2003) [5].
> >
> >
> > [1] Nothing is free and this is not a charity from Elsevier. Public
> > institutions/libraries that subscribe to Elsevier's service have already
> > paid for the "free" service. How much? Ask your head librarian about the
> > confidentiality clause.
> >
> > [2] These works precede peer-review and are not considered to be
> > "published". It is not "citable" when played by the rules. It is not the
> > canonical work.
> >
> > [3] This is equivalent to the institutional repositories or open
> > archives. See eprints.org, hal.inria.fr, sw.deri.ie, dpsace.mit.edu,
> > svn.aksw.org, dataverse.org, ... arxiv.org, and many others. Already
> > paid by taxes or funded privately.
> >
> > [4] If authors want to have a "preprint" (and more) published online,
> > your institution most likely has you covered - also paid by your taxes.
> > Moreover, your institution probably provides a Webspace for you. Talk to
> > your department or library about your needs.
> >
> > [5] This journal required and maintained lowest standards for "Web" and
> > "Semantics" via desktop/print-centric solutions - nothing to do with the
> > native Web stack, but everything to do with fitting into Elsevier's
> > workflows and business. The Web Semantics journal *company* failed to
> > cultivate knowledge representation within its own realm since 2003.
> >
> > -Sarven
> > http://csarven.ca/#i
> >
>
>
>
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