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Re: With footnotes (was Re: Open Access to Journal of Web Semantics (JWS))

From: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:00:23 +0200
Message-ID: <CALAe=O+LcmcMg_jtYqZuhscNQh6trSUUMPurqNs0qgthNmLuzQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steffen Staab <staab@uni-koblenz.de>
Cc: Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
how is it under full control of the community? what is the governance
structure that assures that?

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Steffen Staab <staab@uni-koblenz.de> wrote:

> Dear Alexander and other likewise participants in the discussion,
>
> I think this discussion lacks information about  (1) how the preprint
> server of JoWS is operated and
> (2) how archival services need to be operated in general. Hence, I think
> you should inform yourself
> before you utter strong claims.
>
> (1) The preprint server of JoWS is under full control by the community. It
> is financially supported by Elsevier.
> Authors do not pay a dime to have their paper there.
>
> (2) Setting up an archival service is simple (indications are also given
> in the thread below, dozen more nice ideas fly around).
> Running an archival service is conceptually difficult and costly.
> The issue is not even the amount of money by itself (about >10K per year
> for a moderate size journal like JoWS).
> The issue is that there are no established ways to channel money into such
> a task (the service provider cannot
> charge the head librarian for such a thing, unless it is a kind of
> publisher). Note: nothing stops the community from improving
> the preprint server. If you offer free work to do it, I guess you will be
> very welcome.
>
> JoWS has found an excellent compromise with Elsever in order to offer a
> valuable service to the community at large,
> if you want more: roll-up your sleeves!
>
> Kind regards,
> Steffen Staab
> JoWS EiC 2008-2014
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 09.08.2017 um 11:11 schrieb Alexander Garcia Castro <
> alexgarciac@gmail.com>:
>
> First two paragraphs about the important issue and then my response about
> the pre print offered by the journal that Ian talks about.
>
> Publishers are now taking on the pre prints very actively. I should say
> here that pre prints owned by publishers are not in control of the
> community. If this part of the infrastructure is also in control of service
> providers then the only important asset that we researchers produce will be
> 100% controlled by someone else. Yes, I know that some people will argue
> that papers are not the only asset that we produce. Unfortunately  papers
> are the only asset that counts because everything in academia is paper
> centric. We are witnessing how  little by little service providers take
> control of everything we produce (all sorts of research objects). all the
> assets and therefore all the generated value and by doing so they gain an
> unnecessary influence in the market as a whole. They also have under
> control the metrics derived from those assets. IMHO lab information
> management systems, specialised gits, data repositories, etc must remain
> under our control; simply because this is critical infrastructure.
>
> Once again, if moving scholarly communication forward is the real
> objective then we need a part of the infrastructure fully under our
> control. pre prints maintained by universities are somewhat "rigid" and
> dont allow the necessary  "hacking" that is needed in order to move away
> from the current system.  IMHO the Open Science Framework (OSF) offers a
> viable alternative. Perhaps not as decentralised as some would like but
> away enough from being in control of some few service providers. Also, open
> enough as to make experimentation easy. I see this OSF option as a platform
> for hacking and that is why I have strongly argued that we, the semantic we
> and ontology community, need a pre print server. hope this resonates with
> some people.
>
> As for the pre print Ian talks about
>
> The pre print is at http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/index.
> php/ps/issue/archive and
>
>  "The Preprint Server provides readers with free electronic access to
> article preprints of the Journal of Web Semantics: Science, Services and
> Agents on the World Wide Web at Elsevier."
>
> so, what is the difference between a pre print and the final print? do u
> have to pay in order to have a paper archived at the pre print? does this
> pre print only archives papers published in the journal?
>
> Also, having a DOI is not such a big deal; ZENODO, not a formal pre print
> server, assigns DOIs to the things that u upload. So, if having a DOI is
> such a big deal one could simply upload the paper to ZENODO, get the DOI
> and then have it also anywhere else -yes, this is the decentralisation we
> currently have.
>
> Pre prints are much more flexible than what the journal that Ian talks
> about offers, for instance:
>
> "PsyArXiv provides support for multiple versions of a file, within-browser
> rendering of manuscripts, inclusion of supplementary files, data, and code,
> appropriate metadata, and links to resulting journal articles including
> DOIs"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> An important correction:
>>
>> Articles on the preprint server are post-review, and differ from the
>> published version only w.r.t. formatting.
>>
>> Ian Horrocks
>> Editor in Chief
>> Journal of Web Semantics
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 8 Aug 2017, at 20:27, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 2017-08-08 19:16, Ian Horrocks wrote:
>> >> I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free open access via
>> its preprint server:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
>> >>
>> >> You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive of all
>> articles published in the journal going back to Vol 1, No 1 (2003).
>> >>
>> >> Ian Horrocks
>> >> Editor in Chief
>> >> Journal of Web Semantics
>> >
>> >
>> > I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free [1] open access
>> > via its preprint server [2]:
>> >
>> > http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
>> >
>> > You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive [3] of
>> > all articles published in the journal [4] going back to Vol 1, No 1
>> > (2003) [5].
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] Nothing is free and this is not a charity from Elsevier. Public
>> > institutions/libraries that subscribe to Elsevier's service have already
>> > paid for the "free" service. How much? Ask your head librarian about the
>> > confidentiality clause.
>> >
>> > [2] These works precede peer-review and are not considered to be
>> > "published". It is not "citable" when played by the rules. It is not the
>> > canonical work.
>> >
>> > [3] This is equivalent to the institutional repositories or open
>> > archives. See eprints.org, hal.inria.fr, sw.deri.ie, dpsace.mit.edu,
>> > svn.aksw.org, dataverse.org, ... arxiv.org, and many others. Already
>> > paid by taxes or funded privately.
>> >
>> > [4] If authors want to have a "preprint" (and more) published online,
>> > your institution most likely has you covered - also paid by your taxes.
>> > Moreover, your institution probably provides a Webspace for you. Talk to
>> > your department or library about your needs.
>> >
>> > [5] This journal required and maintained lowest standards for "Web" and
>> > "Semantics" via desktop/print-centric solutions - nothing to do with the
>> > native Web stack, but everything to do with fitting into Elsevier's
>> > workflows and business. The Web Semantics journal *company* failed to
>> > cultivate knowledge representation within its own realm since 2003.
>> >
>> > -Sarven
>> > http://csarven.ca/#i
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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