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Re: Test of Independent Invention: RDF

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:28:58 +0200
Message-ID: <CAKaEYh+woK7c7AZkbuDEF1dX+143w0ib6xfBkTrjXGK_9RsVhA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi>
Cc: Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
On 27 April 2015 at 23:08, Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi> wrote:

> On 2015-04-27, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>
>  Looking at the past, present and future, what is the state of RDF in the
>> Test of Independent Invention?
>>
>> IMHO, Linked data mainly passes the test. There may be some minor nits
>> over blank nodes or lists etc.
>>
>
> Does it pass the market test, though?
>
> All of this Semantic Web stuff has existed for a while now. One would
> expect that there is a company or consortium out there which has made 1-10
> million bucks applying technology, which couldn't have been without the
> Semantic Web.
>
> Is there one, or preferably a hundred as the usual laws of the free market
> would lead us to expect?
>

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>
>  Typical web 2.0 APIs dont initially pass the test, but can be webized to
>> do so.
>>
>
> "Can be 'webized'." Yes, but do they? Not as a hypothetical, but using
> SemWeb tech as an essential part of a solution to a real life problem? I
> don't see that happening. Or do you? Is there a killer app in one of the
> prominent app stores which utilizes RDF or one of the other SemWeb
> technologies in an essential way, and rakes in substantial income, proving
> the tech is worth it?
>
>  So that means the semantic web will start small but grow to assimilate
>> the more useful systems to become part of the TOII.
>>
>
> The semantic web started out small at about when RDF Model and Syntax was
> ratified. In 1999, with Ora and Ralph at the sticks. Now it's slightly over
> 16 years later, and we're still talking about "starting small and the
> growing to assimilate".
>
> No self-respecting startup would go there. If it doesn't hit it in 1-3
> years, rather obviously it's born dead. Especially if it's born fully in
> the Nets/Webs.
>
>  Some rival may emerge to the sem web, but I cant see anything on the
>> horizon right now
>>
>
> Why not jump the ship and develop one? Take everything that's good in the
> current semweb work, ditch all that is bad (especially any XML/W3C
> burden/formal logic burden), and then just run with it? Using a single,
> simple application as the test bed?
>

Sem web isnt bound to XML.  I dont consider the W3C bad, recent
developments in the sem web like Linked Data Platform and JSON LD are
taking things to a new level.

Problem with starting something new is that you have to evangelize it from
scratch.  The whole point of the TOII is that if someone does that you'll
be interoperable with them.


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