Re: Translations of classical RDF vocabularies

Hello Jean-Marc

2014-06-23 12:10 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Vanel <jeanmarc.vanel@gmail.com>:

> Bernard,
> Fine to see my translation here !
>
> I would rather see
>         lingvoj:originalResource    <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/> ;
> than
>         lingvoj:originalResource    <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/index.rdf>
> ;
>
> not sure !
>

Well indeed what you've done is a translation of the formal RDF vocabulary.
Given that there is a content negotiation on the namespace URI, the former
declaration could be interpreted as the translation including also
http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/index.html which is not the case. I prefer the
object of lingvoj:originalResource to be as close as possible to some
frbr:Manifestation. When there is a conneg in place for some URI, I tend to
think that the resource represented is some frbr:Expression, and each
available file a frbr:Manifestation. Note that I differ in this from
http://vocab.org/frbr/core.html#translation which enforces translation to
link two frbr:Expression, and from BIBFRAME which defines translation as
linking two Works : http://bibframe.org/vocab/translationOf.html. Given
this lack of consensus I have not put any formal constraints on rdfs:range
of lingvoj:originalResource and lingvoj:translatedResource which are left
open. Translating vocabularies supporting conneg is a good test bed for
those models anyway.


> But I'm definitely sure that I prefer to see:
>         lingvoj:translator <http://jmvanel.free.fr/jmv.rdf#me> .
> ...
>

Sure enough :)
I've fixed it, I was just not aware of your URI :)

 Phil and Bernard, If you want to be informed of new translations, you can
> follow ("watch") the github project :
> https://github.com/jmvanel/rdf-i18n/
>
> I'll provide some  lingvoj triples for translations there, say on :
> https://github.com/jmvanel/rdf-i18n/raw/master/translations_list.ttl
>
>
> Bernard, will you update soon to "official" URI for languages like
> http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/iso639-1/fr
> ?
>

http://www.lingvoj.org/translations/translations-2014.rdf already uses such
URIs, do you speak of other places they should be updated?


2014-06-23 11:36 GMT+02:00 Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>:
>
> Hi Phil
>>
>> I updated for the occasion the examples of representation of translations
>> using the lingvoj ontology, since Jean-Marc was asking about how to declare
>> translations in RDF.
>> http://www.lingvoj.org/translations/translations-2014.rdf
>>
>>
>> 2014-06-23 11:18 GMT+02:00 Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>:
>>
>>  Just a quick response to this.
>>>
>>> I'm delighted to see this happening, thanks Jean-Marc. I've been pushing
>>> for more of this to happen for the vocabs that W3C hosts and am pleased to
>>> be able to point to:
>>>
>>> DCAT [1] (English, Spanish, Arabic, Greek, Japanese, French),
>>>
>>> ORG [2] (English, French, Italian, Spanish)
>>>
>>> Labels and definitions in more languages are always welcome (pls ping me
>>> directly). The multilingual LD folks are unanimous in their belief that
>>> this is really helpful. See http://lider-project.eu/
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl
>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/ns/org
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Archer
>>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>>>
>>> http://philarcher.org
>>> +44 (0)7887 767755
>>> @philarcher1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/06/2014 17:26, Jean-Marc Vanel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be nice, for those vocabularies and ontologies that have only
>>>> rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in english, to have translations in other
>>>> languages.
>>>> I started by FOAF in french:
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.code.sf.net/p/eulergui/code/trunk/eulergui/examples/foaf_fr.n3
>>>>
>>>> You may ask: "why bother do this?".
>>>> I see at least 2 use cases:
>>>> - for input form and display generated from the vocabulary, I18N
>>>> labels and tooltips are necessary
>>>> - for faceted search, I18N labels are useful
>>>>
>>>> I used Google translate as a starting point.
>>>> When doing this, it's better to use the N-triples syntax; the G
>>>> translator would spoil the abbreviated URI's in Turtle.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to contribute and translate other vocabularies ( not only
>>>> in french !),
>>>> we can set a github project;
>>>> and the most useful ones would be: Good Relations and schema.org,
>>>> SIOC, DOAP, Dublin Core.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>