Re: How to put an annotation in HTML?

Sebastian,

thanks! its-ta-ident-ref is perfect! That's exactly what I have been
looking for.

Only drawbacks are, that it is not a Recommendation yet (what's the
timeline here?), but that's not so terrible, and that this is the possibly
worst attribute name I have seen so far in HTML.

Still, that's what I am going to use! Thanks,
Cheers,
Denny





2013/4/26 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

>  Hi John and Denny,
> the problem is well known and RDFa has its limits. Please see the new ITS
> 2.0 spec [1], which provides a solution for this. ITS 2.0 will likely be
> widely adopted by CMS and translation industry and it has an RDF transition
> using NIF[2] .
>
> @Denny: For your request RDFa should be fine, if you just want to include:
> <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788> <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788> a
> owl:Thing .
>
> Note that the resulting RDF does not contain any provenance information,
> so I am unsure, whether calling it an "annotation" is appropriate. It is
> rather an inclusion of extra triples in HTML.
> You are loosing any reference to "Springfield" as RDFa parsers don't
> support this.
> Turtle in HTML would also be an easy option:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#xhtml
>
> ITS 2.0 example:
> <p>It is well known, that <span its-ta-ident-ref=
> "http://sws.geonames.org/4951788" <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788>>Springfield</span> has mild summers and short, but hard winters.</p>
> NIF:
> ...
> <http://example.com/doc.html#xpath(/p[1]/span[1]/text()[1])><http://example.com/doc.html#xpath(/p[1]/span[1]/text()[1])>
>     itsrdf:xpath2nif <http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34><http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34>.
> <http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34><http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34>
>     rdf:type              nif:RFC5147String ;
>     itsrdf:taIdentRef  <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788><http://sws.geonames.org/4951788>;
> ...
>
> Well, NIF is more for natural language processing tools and middleware, so
> it's overkill for just including the occasional triple now and then ...
>
> All the best,
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/
> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#conversion-to-nif
>
> Am 24.04.2013 22:08, schrieb John Flynn:
>
>  I have long thought that a clean and simple method for identifying terms
> in HTML that are instances of a specific ontology would be a very valuable
> adjunct to the growth of the Semantic Web. A number of years ago I proposed
> an approach to a solution I called Instance Markup Language (1) which
> gained no traction. The consensus at the time was that RDFa would provide
> the solution for this need and also that it wasn't really important because
> the great bulk of instance data would come from large data bases and not
> from HTML. I don't think RDFa has in fact provided a "clean and simple" way
> to identify specific terms in HTML text and link those terms to classes or
> properties in a specific ontology. I never thought my proposed approach was
> exactly right, but I did have hope it would inspire someone come forward
> with a similar, but cleaner, way to do this. Even though the subject still
> occasionally come up, after all these years it's pretty clear I was wrong
> about this being an important component of Semantic Web technology.****
>
> ** **
>
> (1) http://mysite.verizon.net/jflynn12/IML.htm ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Denny Vrandečić [mailto:denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de<denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de>]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:59 PM
> *To:* semantic-web at W3C
> *Subject:* How to put an annotation in HTML?****
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry, probably a stupid questions:****
>
> ** **
>
> Let us say, I have some HTML like this...****
>
> ** **
>
> <p>It is well known, that Springfield has mild summers and short, but hard
> winters.</p>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> And now, for example in order to simplify extraction, I want to annotate
> Springfield with an URI, maybe like this, to make sure that the computer
> understands I mean the Springfield in Massachusetts: ****
>
> ** **
>
> <p>It is well known, that <span about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/">Springfield</span>
> has mild summers and short, but hard winters.</p>****
>
> ** **
>
> How do I actually do that?****
>
> ** **
>
> Mind you, I don't want to add whole triples, but just annotate the HTML
> and say "this element refers to the following URI".****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,****
>
> Denny****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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