- From: Adrian Walker <adriandwalker@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:37:28 -0400
- To: SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CABbsESdcfH4WLQ6=mv5aVHW0e9XHRq5Po-kOG+WBKxG_NLdQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Paola,
You wrote:
* in which case i think a streamlined process via an simple interface
*
*such as (for example)
*
*>
>
> 1. RETRIEVE ALL INSTANCES OF (VARIABLE)
*
* and (VARIABLE2) ETC
*
*> WHERE (VARIABLE) IS (ENTITY)
> OR WHERE VARIABLE IS (RELATION)
>
> 2. FROM url ( ENDPOINT, OR INDEX OF ENDPOINTS)
> /// trying to work out if what Marco sent serves this purpose?)
*
*(query refinement options)
3. RETURN RESULT AS (HTML, RDF, OWL WHATNOT)* *
4. SORT RESULT AS (options)* *
5. DISPLAY RESULT AS (layout options)* *
------------------------------*
*-------
Is that too much to ask?
*
*
*
As well as the non-programmer author-user browser interface [1] to the
Executable English system, there's a programmer interface [2] that you
could use to do that.
However, I'd recommend translating your outline code (above) into
Executable English and then using the browser author-user interface to
prototype first.
Cheers, -- Adrian
[1] Internet Business Logic
A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL
and RDF
Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements
[2] www.reengineeringllc.com/iblClient1.java
Adrian Walker
Reengineering
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote:
> (sorry, message was truncated, resending)
>
> > Adrian
> > thank you-
> >
> >
> >> Actually, you can specify SQL data endpoints on the web in the rules
> that
> >> define an application. The English explanations then provide
> provenance.
> >> Please see [2] for an example.
> >
> > ah, that's good - could be useful then
>
> in which case i think a streamlined process via an simple interface
> such as (for example)
> >
> >
> > 1. RETRIEVE ALL INSTANCES OF (VARIABLE)
> and (VARIABLE2) ETC
> > WHERE (VARIABLE) IS (ENTITY)
> > OR WHERE VARIABLE IS (RELATION)
> >
> > 2. FROM url ( ENDPOINT, OR INDEX OF ENDPOINTS)
> > /// trying to work out if what Marco sent serves this purpose?)
>
> (query refinement options)
>
> 3. RETURN RESULT AS (HTML, RDF, OWL WHATNOT)
>
> 4. SORT RESULT AS (options)
>
>
> 5. DISPLAY RESULT AS (layout options)
> -------------------------------------
> Is that too much to ask?
>
>
> >> SPARQL needs to stabilize a bit further, so for now we normally pull the
> >> triples needed into a local store.
>
> can we pull the triples into a normalised /stabilised web based store
> so that they can be reused by others?:-)
> (not sure if it makes sense)
>
> PDM
>
>
>
>
>
> >>
> >> Thanks for further comments.
> >>
> >> Adrian Walker, Reengineering
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] Internet Business Logic
> >>
> >> A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over
> SQL
> >> and RDF
> >> Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
> >> Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements
> >>
> >> [2]
> >>
> www.reengineeringllc.com/Oil_Industry_Supply_Chain_by_Kowalski_and_Walker.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much Adrian and Daniel
> >>>
> >>> (hoping not to bore the list too much with this topic)
> >>>
> >>> Gives a quick glimpse into the stato of the art perhaps,
> >>> I seem to recall I must have gotten a similar set of pointers in the
> >>> past, but the offers seem to have marginally evolved, which is
> >>> great.(takes time)
> >>>
> >>> wouldnt google and yahoo also have something to share?
> >>>
> >>> [backend thoughts:
> >>> . to query SQL it is necessary to know at least in part the underlying
> >>> schema, but I think I heard that to query SPARQL one may not require
> >>> knowing the schema, yet I have not yet figured out how can that
> >>> be.done actually. think more)
> >>>
> >>> Adrian- the process you outline below worked for me, thanks I think
> >>> it shows a proof of concept better than last time I looked into your
> >>> engine.(if I remember correctly)
> >>> a bit long and constrained, and perhaps still too manual -
> >>> if you could rewire it a bit to allow a user to push just one button
> >>> to get to the bottom of the query
> >>> and most importantly, to point to the open web (I gather the knowledge
> >>> your system is currently querying is stored somewhere, rather than
> >>> being fetched dynamically). keep it up?
> >>>
> >>> Daniel - explorator looks sleek and sophisticated, thanks
> >>> have not yet had the bandwidth to look at the video. assuming it
> >>> works, it would be great if, in a similar point as with Hugh and
> >>> Adrian, if a *higher level* interface would allow a user to get
> >>> something out without having to be trained in the system
> >>>
> >>> It looks like the intuitive semantic web interfaces need doing!
> >>> (also referencing other posts that are coming up)
> >>>
> >>> will think how best to channel energies in this direction
> >>>
> >>> thank ou
> >>>
> >>> PDM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Adrian Walker <
> adriandwalker@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi Paola,
> >>> >
> >>> > You wrote...
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > is there a visual input screen where the search/query values can be
> >>> > entered/modified?
> >>> >
> >>> > You may like to run the example called RDFQueryLangComparison1 on our
> >>> > site.
> >>> > When you choose a question to ask, you get a window in which you can
> >>> > open
> >>> > pull-down lists of suggested values to enter in order to focus the
> >>> > question.
> >>> >
> >>> > To run the example, please:
> >>> >
> >>> > 1. Point a Firefox or Chrome browser to
> >>> > http://www.reengineeringllc.com
> >>> >
> >>> > 2. Click on Internet Business Logic
> >>> >
> >>> > 3. Click the GO button
> >>> >
> >>> > 4. Select RDFQueryLangComparison1 from the list in the middle
> of
> >>> > the
> >>> > page
> >>> >
> >>> > 5. Check that the action at the top of the page says
> >>> > "Choose an agent and Go to its Question menu"
> >>> >
> >>> > 6. Click the Go button
> >>> >
> >>> > 7. You should now see a Question Menu
> >>> >
> >>> > 8. Click on the first sentence
> >>> >
> >>> > 9. You should now see a new window with an "Ask" button
> >>> >
> >>> > 10. Click the Ask button (or optionally first open one of the
> >>> > pulldown
> >>> > lists of values to focus the question)
> >>> >
> >>> > 11. You should now see an Answer Table
> >>> >
> >>> > 12. Click on "Go To the Question Menu" hold down the mouse
> button,
> >>> > select "Get an Explanation of the Selected Line" and
> release
> >>> > the
> >>> > button
> >>> >
> >>> > 13. You should now see a step-by-step explanation of how the
> >>> > system
> >>> > used the rules and facts in the example to get the answer
> >>> >
> >>> > 14. Click on "Go to the Answer Page" hold down the mouse
> button,
> >>> > select "Go to View or Change the Agent" and release the
> button
> >>> >
> >>> > 15. You should now see the application "program" that you have
> >>> > just
> >>> > used.
> >>> > It's written in Executable English, and it's editable.
> >>> > (If you'd like to make changes, please make a copy first,
> >>> > using
> >>> > the
> >>> > menu on the start page, then make changes only to your
> copy.)
> >>> >
> >>> > 16. Please use the Help button on each page to see how to
> navigate
> >>> > further
> >>> >
> >>> > 17. The tutorials show how to write and run your own examples.
> >>> >
> >>> > I hope this helps. Thanks for comments and questions.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -- Adrian
> >>> >
> >>> > Internet Business Logic
> >>> > A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A
> over
> >>> > SQL
> >>> > and RDF
> >>> > Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
> >>> > Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements
> >>> >
> >>> > Adrian Walker
> >>> > Reengineering
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Paola Di Maio <
> paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thank you v much, Marco and Hugh
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I just recalled that I must have asked the same question before, and
> >>> >> probably ask the same question at regular intervals (3-5 years?)
> >>> >> (loop)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Indeed Roberto Garcia mentioned he picked up on the request a while
> >>> >> back (just remembered what is it that he and I talked about when we
> >>> >> met) and we discussed briefly its design/ implementation in 2009.
> but
> >>> >> it requires a download? thats not a web service is it? (sorry I
> have
> >>> >> reasons not to download stuff if possible)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ... I d like to test the web service when it comes available...
> keep us
> >>> >> informed
> >>> >>
> >>> >> HUGH
> >>> >>
> >>> >> the link you sent looks good (in the sense that i can see something
> >>> >> and i can click on the links) but it looks like the output of a
> query
> >>> >> rather than the input,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> how was this output obtained?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> is there a visual input screen where the search/query values can be
> >>> >> entered/modified? (thats what I am looking for)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> thanks
> >>> >>
> >>> >> PDM
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > Hi Marco,
> >>> >> > Thanks for the shout out for rkbexplorer
> >>> >> > I'm not sure it is the sort of thing Paola is talking about.
> >>> >> > But in case you are interested we have a new user interface
> version
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> > the RKB knowledge over at
> >>> >> > http://www.dotac.info/explorer/
> >>> >> > Best
> >>> >> > Hugh
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On 18 Aug 2012, at 14:03, Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> take a look at the Rhizomer tool
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> http://www.meetup.com/The-San-Francisco-Semantic-Web-Meetup/events/72935902/
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> and the RKBExplorer
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> http://www.rkbexplorer.com
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Paola Di Maio
> >>> >> >> <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> I have been thinking, why isnt there a web service that allows
> >>> >> >> users
> >>> >> >> to carry out supported sparql queries
> >>> >> >> by having an HTML front end where users can simply input the
> >>> >> >> variables
> >>> >> >> as text, and let the service compose the query
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> this would, in theory, enable anyone to query specific urls, or
> >>> >> >> search
> >>> >> >> open web via the usual search indexes for data published in
> OWL/RDF.
> >>> >> >> or at least try
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> lot of interesting papers that tackle the subject, but no URL
> for
> >>> >> >> such a web service
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=natural+language+interface+for+sparql+web+service&oq=natural+language+interface+for+sparql+web+service&gs_l=hp.3...59522.61537.2.61657.12.12.0.0.0.0.589.2703.0j4j1j1j2j1.9.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.4xjzkXaA4RQ&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=648acda22bf0fc4e&biw=1016&bih=626
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> would this approach crack at least some of the SW challenges?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> anything already in the works that can be tested?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> any specific issues that should prevent this approach to be
> >>> >> >> feasible?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Thank you very much
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> pdm
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> ---
> >>> >> >> Marco Neumann
> >>> >> >> KONA
> >>> >> >>
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> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
>
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