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RE: Requirements for a possible "RDF 2.0"

From: Lynn, James (HP Software Professional Services) <james.lynn@hp.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:51:11 +0000
To: Jiří Procházka <ojirio@gmail.com>
CC: Marco <marco.neumann@gmail.com>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <6E08C4C4C49E524287A6FA5984822ACE8922B31E53@GVW0442EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net>
Jiri,

I believe you are correct that Chris was asking about the second case. I was trying to broaden the question. If we build something that isn't useful in some context, what's the point, right? So I thought that understanding how it might be used would add value to the discussion about RDF itself.

Make sense?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Jiří Procházka [mailto:ojirio@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:08 AM
To: Lynn, James (HP Software Professional Services)
Cc: Marco; semantic-web@w3.org
Subject: Re: Requirements for a possible "RDF 2.0"

Hi,
what you are asking is about usage and adoption of specific RDF vocabularies (ontologies or schemes), not about RDF itself.

Maybe it would be good if Chris said precisely if he is looking for positions on which directions the whole Semantic Web effort should take, or specifically RDF. My impression is the second case (and I expressed myself in previous thread already http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2009Nov/0066.html ).

Best,
Jiri Prochazka


On 01/14/2010 02:36 AM, Lynn, James (HP Software Professional Services)
wrote:
> Hi Marco,
> 
> Nothing specific, more of an open question. I should point out that I have drifted from involvement in RDF (daytime job and all that) so of everyone on this list I am probably the most out of touch with the “current situation” regarding the place of RDF in the world.
> 
> Here’s a question that may spark some conversation. RDF can certainly express many things that are “good to know” about web services. David Booth gives several examples in this presentation:
> RDF as a Lingua Franca: Architectural 
> Strategies<http://www.dbooth.org/2009/stc/dbooth-SemTechConf-2009.ppt> 
> (slides from Semantic Technology Conference 2009, San Jose)
> 
> The question I raise is, will RDF become a standard way to express that information. Will I be able to say something about a web service I post in the Cloud somewhere and will everyone understand it – or even know where to find it because it is in RDF embedded in some standard way in a WSDL, Policy, etc.? Obviously, I’m not expecting a simple answer so much as perhaps a discussion about what RDF’s status is in the community and what roadblocks – technical or political may lie ahead.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Jim
> 
> From: Marco [mailto:marco.neumann@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:12 PM
> To: Lynn, James (HP Software Professional Services)
> Cc: semantic-web@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Requirements for a possible "RDF 2.0"
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> can you please elaborate a little on the first boat RDF missed?
> 
> Is this allegory only based on measuring wide adoption (eg use in RSS) or do you have other indicators in mind?
> 
> Marco
> 
> Sent from my mobile device
> 
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 7:53 PM, "Lynn, James (HP Software Professional Services)" <james.lynn@hp.com<mailto:james.lynn@hp.com>> wrote:
> In addition to what I am sure is a long list of issues already on your table (Chris), I’d like to ask “what’s the goal?” What role do people see RDF playing at this point even if all ills were cured? Would there be a place in RSS for RDF? How about annotating WSDLs, WS-Policy, WS-*? I don’t mean to sound pessimistic but I do worry that RDF may have missed the boat. When does the next boat leave?
> 
> Jim
> 
> James Lynn
> 
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