- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:31:11 -0400
- To: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- CC: Sherman Monroe <sdmonroe@gmail.com>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, David Huynh <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu>
Hugh Glaser wrote: > Hi Kingsley, > I think you were doing the conflating, which is why you confused me talking about tabs :-) > I was never talking about anything other than > http://ec2.monrai.com:8890/facets/ > being labelled a "linked data browser". > Ah! I saw that part, but I naturally responded to the: what Sherman is doing (based on my proximity to him). He just isn't using the Sponger which is the HTTP URI de-referencing engine within Virtuoso, since his first point of call was the Faceted Browsing Engine which is scoped to local store data :-) > In fact, if you see my other post, you will see that I suggest http://lod.openlinksw.com/ as a linked data browser! > Sure :-) Too much data today ! Kingsley > Best > Hugh > > > On 16/05/2009 01:06, "Kingsley Idehen" <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote: > > Hugh Glaser wrote: > >> I have difficulty in interpreting what you say - we are looking at the same "linked data browser" page?: >> http://ec2.monrai.com:8890/facets/ >> All I can see is a page that says: "Lookup things named "" " So the only possibility of linked data browsing is to put in something with a name. >> So I put something topical in (from this list). >> Since I see >> ... >> <Station rdf:about="http://ontologi.es/rail/stations/gb/MAN"> >> <foaf:name xml:lang="en">Manchester Piccadilly</foaf:name> >> ... >> I try "Manchester Piccadilly" and get some response, but nothing leads me to >> http://ontologi.es/rail/stations/gb/MAN.rdf or any of the data I find there. >> Similarly topical from this list, I find no way of browsing http://foaf.qdos.com/lastfm/people/keithalexander#me or getting to that page by searching for "Keith Alexander". >> >> > You are kind of conflating two things: > > 1. http://ec2.monrai.com:8890/facets/ -- a client interacting with a > REST API > 2. http://lod.openlinksw.com -- an instance of a Quad Store (Virtuoso) > that includes a Faceted Browsing Engine that is also accessible via REST > APIs (in addition to the SPARQL protocol and other services) > >> I also see no way of doing "3. Raw URI Lookup" of this URI. >> >> > You can do a raw URI lookup at: http://lod.openlinksw.com , there are 3 > Tabs on the home page (self explanatory etc..). > >> I assert that if this is a "linked data browser", then since >> http://ontologi.es/rail/stations/gb/MAN.rdf conforms (I think) to "How to Publish Linked Data on the Web", then I should be able to browse it using the browser. >> >> > My responses have nothing to do with: http://ec2.monrai.com:8890/facets/ . > > I am sure you know ODE can do what you describe. > > >> If I can't, then it is not a "linked data browser". >> >> > > If you are referring to: http://lod.openlinksw.com, then I am sure you > know ODE [1] is just a VAD installation away, we just haven't installed > ODE or enabled sponging on this instance because it is still a in "hot > staging" mode. > >> Of course, this browser is very capable of browsing your excellent single site, but that is not the same thing, I am sorry to say. >> >> Best >> Hugh >> PS >> Thank you for pointing out this is not in EC2. >> >> > http://ec2.monrai.com:8890/facets/ -- is on EC2. I am not taking about > it though. > > > >> I have difficulty working out what is in the cloud and what is not, as it appears to be opaque, which I think is the idea. >> >> > Maybe, but I think we are done with what this means - in our world view > - in prior conversations etc.. > > The most important thing Sherman is trying to do is provide an > alternative interface to <http://lod.openlinksw.com> and validate the > prowess of the REST API that was built to address the challenge known > as: Web Scale Faceted Browsing :-) > > As per my response to David earlier, more interesting revelations to > come next week. > > > > Kingsley > >> On 15/05/2009 21:16, "Kingsley Idehen" <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote: >> >> Hugh Glaser wrote: >> >> >>> Dear Sherman, >>> It's great to have more activity, and all strength to you. >>> However, I would like to ask if you could modify some of your description to more accurately reflect what it is doing. >>> Referring to the dataset as the "public LOD cloud instance of Virtuoso" suggests that it is browsing all the LOD data, which it is not. >>> Also, I am not sure it is right to call it a "linked data browser"; I can't work out how to use it to browse any other sites than the Virtuoso EC2 one. >>> >>> >>> >> Hugh, >> >> What do you mean by: I can't work out how to use it to browse any other >> sites than the Virtuoso EC2 one? For starters, this isn't an EC2 hosted >> instance. Its a huge Quad Store with 4.5 Billion+ (and counting) >> triples. You find entities and their descriptions via: >> >> 1. Full Text Search Patterns >> 2. Entity URI Lookup by Label >> 3. Raw URI Lookup >> >> There is a Tab for each. >> >> When you find an entity and open up its description, you can click on >> "Statistics" to explore other relationships and/or how we've handle >> owl:sameAs, IFPs etc.. >> >> If the above, don't get you where you want to be, then you can also >> start from the VoiD graph at: http://lod.openlinksw.com/void/Dataset. >> And of course, if all fails, you can simply use the SPARQL endpoint at: >> http://lod.openlinksw.com/sparql . >> >> If data is missing simply give me an example of a query that works in >> your data space and we'll look into why its missing in ours. >> >> Kingsley >> >> >>> Best >>> Hugh >>> PS Sorry to those who feel I have been here before, but I think there are important things here. >>> >>> -- >>> Hugh Glaser, Reader >>> Dependable Systems & Software Engineering >>> School of Electronics and Computer Science, >>> University of Southampton, >>> Southampton SO17 1BJ >>> Work: +44 (0)23 8059 3670, Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 3045 >>> Mobile: +44 (0)75 9533 4155, Home: +44 (0)23 8061 5652 >>> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/people/hg >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13/05/2009 18:42, "Sherman Monroe" <sdmonroe@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Taking inspiration from Longwell[1] and Parallax[2], I present yet another linked data browser[3]. It uses the Virtuoso Facets Web service API [4] and runs against the public LOD cloud instance of Virtuoso [5]. I believe such faceted search UIs could be a nice compromise between SPARQL and a full-blown Cypher-based NL user interface[6]. >>> >>> Feedback appreciated. >>> >>> Hints: >>> >>> - Click a breadcrumb at the top to navigate your query path >>> - Click "Your query" to view the filter details, click the nodes there to navigate the path, click the icons there to modify the filter >>> - Click the green plus sign button to add a filter >>> - Click the blue undo button to unbound a node value >>> >>> Notes: >>> >>> I was amazed in the many instances where I got better results from LOD dataspace than from Google/Technorati/Wikipedia. For example, searching Monopoly, then filtering to the umbel-sc:MentalSituations category gave me a nice (and in some cases humorous) list of Monopoly knock-offs. I tried finding such a list on the WWW with no luck <http://www.google.com/search?q=Monopoly%20knockoffs> . Kingsley tells me that Entity Rank [4] has to do with this, but I wonder whether this quality will stick as the cloud increases. >>> >>> >>> References: >>> [1] http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/Longwell >>> [2] http://mqlx.com/~david/parallax/ >>> [3] http://ec2.monrai.com:8890/facets >>> [4] http://lod.openlinksw.com/fct/facet_doc.html >>> [5] http://lod.openlinksw.com >>> [6] http://cypher.monrai.com >>> >>> Enjoy, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >> President & CEO >> OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > President & CEO > OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > > > > > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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