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Re: [ontolog-forum] EU FP Ontology projects

From: Richard H. McCullough <rhm@pioneerca.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:26:46 -0800
Message-ID: <DAEBB227FA8340FB8F3E58AEE03C8FFB@rhm8200>
To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>, "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Cc: "SW-forum" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "KR-language" <KR-language@YahooGroups.com>, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>
Re: [ontolog-forum] EU FP Ontology projectsDuane

I agree that there are many different contexts
which may apply to the same reality.  

There may be N different contexts corresponding to
the ways that N different people view the same reality.

Further, one person may have M different contexts 
which correspond to M different purposes.

My definition of a proposition is context + sentence.
A person creates a proposition by choosing a context,
then a sentence.

This may cause a communication problem 
if a second person does not know, or chooses to ignore,
the context of the person who created the proposition.

It's not "isu" and "iss" that are changing,
It's the context/hierarchy that is changing.
There are N times M contexts/hierarchies
for the single reality that you are thinking about.

Dick McCullough
Ayn Rand do speak od mKR done;
mKE do enhance od Real Intelligence done;
knowledge := man do identify od existent done;
knowledge haspart proposition list;
http://mKRmKE.org/

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Duane Nickull 
  To: Richard H. McCullough ; Azamat 
  Cc: SW-forum ; KR-language ; [ontolog-forum] 
  Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] EU FP Ontology projects


  I am not sure I think of it that way, although it interests me.  IMO, context in a n..*-dimensional matrix whereby intersecting context details may or may not be visible to each aspect of a preposition.  For example, one person, in a certain context, may deem me Duane Nickull even if I am dead where to others such would be false.  

  As such, ontological research must IMO embrace this dichotomy with more of a quantum computing approach than the limited binary vision of the world.  "Isu: seems  based on simplistic predicate calculus.  I can both be and not be Duane Nickull to two different observers.  Likewise I may be Duane Nickull to both or them or neither of them.  If I am dead, the government may no longer consider me to exist as Duane Nickull whereby my family may eternally believe I exist in spirit.

  Not to disagree, but I think the complete aspect of context is much more complex than can be represented in a hierarchy.

  Duane 


  On 01/03/09 12:36 PM, "Richard H. McCullough" <rhm@pioneerca.com> wrote:


    I have defined "context" to be a list of propositions.
    But the propositions may refer to the hierarchy.

    Here is a list of propositions

       Dick McCullough isu person;
        Duane Nickull isu person;
        person iss entity;

    which is the same as this hierarchy

       begin hierarchy people;
        entity;
        /    person;
        //        i:Dick McCullough;
        //        i:Duane Nickull;
        end hierarchy people;

    Dick McCullough
    Ayn Rand do speak od mKR done;
    mKE do enhance od Real Intelligence done;
    knowledge := man do identify od existent done;
    knowledge haspart proposition list;
    http://mKRmKE.org/


      ----- Original Message ----- 
       
      From:  Duane Nickull <mailto:dnickull@adobe.com>   
       
      To: [ontolog-forum] <mailto:ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>  ; Richard H.  McCullough <mailto:rhm@pioneerca.com>  ; Azamat <mailto:abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>  
       
      Cc: SW-forum <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>  ; KR-language <mailto:KR-language@YahooGroups.com>  
       
      Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:06  PM
       
      Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] EU FP  Ontology projects
       

      Richard:

      Do you see "Context" strictly as a  hierarchic node?  I see it more of an omnipotent concept covering all  other concepts.  Would not a relation and action have contextual impact  on the actual pragmatics?

      Duane


      On 01/03/09 11:59 AM,  "Richard H. McCullough" <rhm@pioneerca.com>  wrote:

       

        Azamat said
         
        I wonder how  can  it cover many different views with such 
        a narrow reading of  relationship, knowledge, and context? 
         
        I neglected to make a  very important point.
        This entity-characteristic-proposition  hierarchy
         
        begin hierarchy tabula  rasa;
           existent;
           /     entity; # physical Entity
           /     group;  # abstract Entity
           /     characteristic;  # property
           //        attribute;
           //        part;
           ///           context;
           ///           sentence;
           //        relation;
           //        action;
           //        interaction;
           /     proposition;
         
           sentence;
           /     statement;
           /     question;
           /     command;
           /     assignment;
           /     production;
           /     conditional;
           /     iteration;
           /     quantification;
        end hierarchy tabula  rasa;
         
        is my preferred hierarchy.
         
        But the mKR/mKE  system can dynamically 
        transform tabula rasa into another  hierarchy
        by concept integration and differentiation,
        or it can use  your favorite hierarchy instead.
         
         
        Dick McCullough
        Ayn Rand do speak od mKR done;
        mKE do  enhance od Real Intelligence done;
        knowledge := man do identify od  existent done;
        knowledge haspart proposition list;
        http://mKRmKE.org/



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