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Re: Semantic Web pneumonia and the Linked Data flu (was: Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?)

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:34:37 -0500
Message-ID: <4990AF7D.7070608@openlinksw.com>
To: metadataportals@yahoo.com
CC: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>, semantic-web <semantic-web@w3.org>
On 2/9/09 12:30 PM, Semantics-ProjectParadigm wrote:
> Dear Kingsley,
>
> We talked with Sybase, and they are not DBMS platform dependent, but 
> moving.towards a mobile and wireless corporate business services 
> support model.
>
My comments were in the context of Sybase being an RDBMS.
Installing Sybase on Amazon EC2 is no different from installing Oracle 
or Virtuoso, they are DBMS engines hosted by a virtual computer in the 
Cloud.
>
> Second, we agree that they and Sun lack for now most of the 
> functionality we are looking for, but they are willing to talk and 
> collaborate to a very large extent, to explore new avenues.
>
Sun doesn't lack functionality, I just meant that re. Cloud coherence, 
Sun hasn't pushed to make DevPay AMIs an option for OpenSolaris, so 
Linux is the only option in this regard at the current time.
>
> I totally agree with you on cloud computing in combination with linked 
> data technologies providing solutions.
>
> But most of the potential users out there would not understand an iota 
> of the basics of semantic web technology.
>
I haven't said anything about "semantic web technology". In short, I 
rarely use the buzz-phrase "Semantic Web" :-)
>
> They want the functionality right now on their Android powered (Google 
> and other Open Handset Alliance brand) phones, Eclipse platform based 
> mobile devices, netbooks, notebooks, iPhones, Blackberries, 3G GSM 
> phones etc.
>
We'll if you want to deal with "Unified Storage" courtesy of the cloud, 
you comeback to my point about Linked Data and Cloud Computing. I am 
simply saying that you could do the following:

1. Instantiate a computing resource in the Cloud
2. Log in and receive a User ID by the system
3. Point to wherever you have data (Web, Enterprise, your own desktop etc..)
4. After 1-3 you have access to your data from wherever, just pick a 
relevant standard, and that will be available. You only need to remember 
you ID/Name.

For mobiles this mean SyncML for Calendar and AddressBook data or 
HTTP/WebDAV.

>
> In my daily work I deal with specialists and non-specialists alike and 
> the most telling sign in the use of the internet is that the internet 
> access is taking place at an increasing rate by people on the move, 
> requiring sophisticated solutions.
>
> E.g. someone working in the rain forest (a pharmaceutical industry 
> scout, geologist, conservationist, biologist, reporter, park ranger) 
> will want to digitally acquire data, upload it somewhere and have it 
> processed into predefined data sets, which can then "by Live Update" 
> be retrieved from the repository used by his company or institute by 
> some "cloud computing" component, processed and the reference 
> information of the updated linked data published on some internet 
> cloud for linked data, and possibly the linked data itself residing 
> somewhere on the web itself too!.
>
Coincidentally, my earlier link to Alon's presentation (Data Spaces) 
demonstrated how he did some dog-fooding using a similar usecase.

My biggest challenge (clearly) is getting people to reconcile what they 
want and how they want it, with what has been available for a long time 
based on industry standards re. our products.

Make a specific use case, and I can give you a very specific usage 
example, if need be.

> I have taken the time to check out just about every company or 
> institute of which there are subscribers to these w3 lists, and the 
> products and services they provide.
>
> Lots of good stuff out there, but the numbers of users who may want 
> something else cannot be ignored.
>
I don't disagree with that view point.

> There are approximately 1,000,000 non-profits worldwide dedicated to 
> sustainable development and the environment, of these maybe 25,000 may 
> have the resources to consider Virtuoso or other products, most 
> however don't and will only be willing to consider FREE open access, 
> open source, or cloud computing solutions, where they may be willing 
> to pay subscriptions and some Premium Services.
>
The above is quite confusing to me for the following reasons:

1. Virtuoso is available in Open Source and Closed Source variants
2.  The Virtuoso AMI offering is all about the subscription model you 
describe

In short, you see my problem? You've described Virtuoso functionality 
but pitched it as contrary to what Virtuoso offers.
> And I do not think that in academic circles money is available in 
> abundance either.
>
I guess our collaborations with academic doesn't imply they are our 
prime customer target.
>
> For the next two years the non-profit sector, or civil society at 
> large and the services sector are going to be in the driver's seat, 
> determining the fate of a lot of new emerging technologies in the 
> field of internet services and mobile computing.
>
Yes, and so will a lot of emerging technology be determining the fates 
of these institutions. Everything is Linked!  :-)
>
> The reason being that both industry/economic sectors are very large in 
> the developed, industrial countries, resilient and relatively 
> recession proof and will need to "rationalize" operations even more in 
> these lean times.
>
Preaching to choir :-)


Kingsley
>
> Companies like Microsoft, IBM, Google, Yahoo etc. may need to adjust 
> to these new realities.
>
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>
> --- On *Mon, 2/9/09, Kingsley Idehen /<kidehen@openlinksw.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>     Subject: Re: Semantic Web pneumonia and the Linked Data flu (was:
>     Can we lower the LD entry cost please (part 1)?)
>     To: metadataportals@yahoo.com
>     Cc: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>, "Yves Raimond"
>     <yves.raimond@gmail.com>, "semantic-web" <semantic-web@w3.org>
>     Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:49 PM
>
>     On 2/9/09 11:33 AM, Semantics-ProjectParadigm wrote:
>     >
>     >  For the storage and cloud computing I have found that e.g. Sun
>     MicroSystems and Sybase are willing to listen to all ideas about
>       open source
>     reference architectures and cloud computing, including for the semantic web.
>     At the current time, I can't make a DevPay AMI for Solaris on Amazon EC2.
>
>     As for Sybase, I don't see why DBMS specificity offers any form of clarity
>     re. Cloud Computing which is ultimately about using the cloud to virtualize
>     computing resources (machine, os, dbms, and apps as components).
>
>     Cloud Computing makes "Data as a Service" by way of virtual
>     machinery.
>     Linked Data makes "Data as a Service" viable through the use of
>     de-referencable URIs as mechanism for Attribution and brand management.
>
>     Collectively, Cloud Computing and Linked Data offer a solution to:
>
>     1.  "Sweat&  Brow" conundrum of yore re. publishing databases
>     2.  Tedium associated with publishing databases or knowledgebases - example
>     DBpedia, Bio2Rdf, NeuroCommons, and MusicBrainz could each be assembled for
>     immediate use in 1.5hrs or less
>       compared to an error prone 16 - 22hr odyssey.
>
>     The incentive to publish/expose data in Linked Data form -- for any entity --
>     is inextricably bound to the fundamental reason for being part of the World Wide
>     Web in the first place i.e. to discover and be discovered with increasing
>     degrees of serendipity.
>
>     Links:
>
>     1. http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/dataspace/dav/wiki/Main/VirtuosoEC2AMI
>
>     -- 
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>     President&   CEO
>     OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>
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