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Re: Vultures Re: what happened to schemaweb.info?

From: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:19:15 +0000
Message-ID: <e8aa138c0803210619v19178334ta13dd5c5f3c29ab3@mail.gmail.com>
To: SWIG <semantic-web@w3.org>
Cc: "Yuzhong Qu" <yzqu@seu.edu.cn>
So now we see implication of semantics in stark relief.
The totemic attachment to different animals that works on so many different
levels and implies so many different things to different people, depending
on context and everything that feeds into the notion of context, for
instance, country, profession, social exchange context, current situation
such as politics and on and on. Of course no means of classification could
encompass this, there is no accurate way of doing so. Language has to speak
for itself. Classification should not be used to round the sharp edges
either. About animals, there are human sensibilities that differ hugely
between people. And about people remember even the ideal of cooperation,
which is being mentioned here, is not shared by everyone. Some think that -
how ever they put it - every one for themselves is more honest and
realistic, therefore more morally desirable!
As to the work of the Falcon team it really does seem brilliant to me. It
can be downloaded, check with them about caveats. I would love to have the
opportunity to integrate it into the system I am working on - maybe one day!
The demo is impressive and gives a good idea about what it happening.
I am interested in the last part of this explanation, "C_apturing knowledge
from
the web via an _ON_tology-driven approach"
I think at the moment the idea is to read in RDFa or does this include
classification and creating an ontology from HTML pages?
I am a bit unclear about this.
Either way it could be used in an intranet. I'm interested to know what the
consideration would be in this case?
What should be available to the classifier, at the moment we have our own
classifier, Automomy's Verity. I imagine that something like Falcon might
take the taxonomy built by Verity as a starting point and arrange it into an
ontology by going back into the document repository? I am speculating.
Any ideas?
Adam

On 21/03/2008, Yuzhong Qu <yzqu@seu.edu.cn> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernard,
>
> Don't worry about that.
>
> As we know, a word has different meanings/implications for different
> people (even for the same person in different contexts). I think, the name
> or lable of a thing is not so crucial  as compared with the features of the
> thing itself.
>
> Anyway, any comment on the Falcons system [1] is welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Yuzhong
>
> [1] http://iws.seu.edu.cn/services/falcons/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernard Vatant" <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
>
> To: "Yuzhong Qu" <yzqu@seu.edu.cn>
> Cc: "Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>; "SWIG" <semantic-web@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Vultures Re: what happened to schemaweb.info?
>
>
>
> Hi Yuzhong
>
> Thanks for your precisions about Falcon. I hope you didn't take what I
> wrote about vultures vs falcons as any kind of subliminal criticiscm of
> your application, which is very cool indeed. :-)
> It was just a follow-up of the metaphor started by Danny, in defense of
> very honorable, sociable, useful and too often despised, birds.
>
> Regards
>
> Bernard
>
> Yuzhong Qu a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > The original implication of Falcon (in our team) is as follows:
> >
> > Falcon is an infrastructure for semantic web applications, which aims
> > at providing fundamental technologies for _F_inding, _A_ligning and
> > _L_earning ontologies, and ultimately, for _C_apturing knowledge from
> > the web via an _ON_tology-driven approach.
> > Falcon-AO: a practical ontology matching system (named after "Aligning
> > Ontologies with Falcon")
> > http://iws.seu.edu.cn/projects/matching/
> >
> > Falcons: a semantic web search engine
> > http://iws.seu.edu.cn/services/falcons/
> >
> >
> > Yuzhong Qu
> > http://iws.seu.edu.cn/
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bernard Vatant" <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com
> > <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>>
> > To: "Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers@gmail.com <mailto:danny.ayers@gmail.com>>
> > Cc: "SWIG" <semantic-web@w3.org <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:24 PM
> > Subject: Vultures Re: what happened to schemaweb.info?
> >
> >
> > Hi Danny
> > > ... another one the name of which escapes me - something like
> > Vultures?  (pretty sure it isn't that, but it'd make a
> > > cool name for some kind of harvester - what is the carrion of the
> web?).
> > >
> > Of course it was Falcons, but indeed vultures would make a better
> > metaphor. First because they are scavengers, and we badly need that
> > given all the rotten stuff around, and second because they have a cool
> > collective strategy to get at it. Vultures monitor a quite large
> > territory from above, and at the same time the behavior of their
> > neighbouring fellows. So if one moves down to a prey, the guys next door
> > follow inwards and downwards, and the information propagates quickly to
> > friends of friends.  Social semantic web, sort of. :-)
> > Falcons are not that kind of social birds (neither are owls). They hunt
> > individually, for themselves and families at best. Good parents,
> > not-so-good neighbours.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
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