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From: John Milton <swdemon1981@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:12:55 -0800 (PST)
To: renato@ebi.ac.uk, "M. David Peterson" <m.david@xmlhacker.com>
Cc: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, SW-forum Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <16024.98357.qm@web52009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Dear Saint Renato:

How thrilled I am to be in the exalted presence of someone destined to sit at the right hand of God, along with Mother Teresa. Freed at birth from unholy sin, Saint Renato walks among us, a shining light to that which we must all aspire. How noble you are, how saintly, how much better than all of us lowly sinners. We are not worthy to walk the same streets. You exist only for others, never for yourself. 

Please forgive a lowly sinner (like myself) who wishes to take umbrage with Saint Renato's musings. I and the world at large truly treasure all the moments when Saint R. has excreted his profundities upon everything and everyone within reach. But perhaps a few points might have some value.

For a sinner's view of Saint Renato's POV, please take a moment on the comments below.

----- Original Message ----
From: Renato golin <renato@ebi.ac.uk>
To: M. David Peterson <m.david@xmlhacker.com>
Cc: John Milton <swdemon1981@yahoo.com>; Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>; SW-forum Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:41:16 AM
Subject: Re: [semantic-web] <none>


M. 
David 
Peterson 
wrote:
> 
Technology 
is 
both 
an 
act 
of 
invention 
and 
an 
act 
of 
refinement.

There 
is 
no 
invention, 
only 
refinement. 
Everything 
you 
invented 
was 
already 
invented, 
only 
not 
patented.

Okay -.....

If technology is A (act of invention) AND.. B (act of refinement) ... then how do you reconcile this with the next line ..

There is no A (invention), just B (act of refinement).

Since Technology (according to Saint R.'s excretion) is both A and B, and A does not exist, then Technology does not exist.

Faith based technology. How far have we not come.




The 
universe 
is 
just 
an 
expression 
of 
its 
intimate 
laws. 
Everything 
on 
top 
of 
that 
(like 
a 
fractal) 
will 
be 
another 
expression 
on 
top 
of 
the 
basic 
ones.

What 
you 
are 
is 
only 
another 
form 
of 
expression 
and 
like 
you, 
your 
brain. 
When 
you 
were 
born 
you 
had 
a 
few 
hard-coded 
(by 
nature 
through 
natural 
selection) 
instructions 
and 
*everything* 
you 
saw 
later 
already 
existed 
in 
nature.


Saint R. makes another good point for his faith based dogma. Since what you are is A (hardcoded - by nature and natural selection) AND B (also "everything" else is also previously in nature) then You are simply nature.

Saint R. now states that humans are not different from rocks, comets, or large quantities of methane gas.





Therefore, 
as 
your 
brain 
was 
selected 
by 
nature 
and 
what 
you 
learn 
comes 
from 
nature, 
the 
ultimate 
owner 
of 
*ALL* 
ideas 
is 
nature 
itself, 
and 
because 
nature 
has 
no 
bank 
account 
we 
store 
its 
money 
on 
our 
own 
by 
creating 
a 
very 
stupid 
idea 
like 
patents.

Saint R. has another wonderful point. In nature, everything is food for everything else. Since Saint R.is now food for anything that can grab him, perhaps he might wish to pubish his address. I am getting hungry. Yum, Yum, some Saint R. bum.





When 
will 
people 
learn 
that 
copyright, 
patents, 
intellectual 
property 
[1], 
anti-piracy, 
RIAA 
and 
the 
like 
is 
*ONLY 
ABOUT 
MONEY*?

I wonder if Saint R. can understand what is truly involved in that last statement. Money is the expression of the idea that a man lives by his own production and is entitled to it, in full. The world is full of thieves, who produce nothing but consume all they encounter.

Saint R. might want to revisit this last statement or he may find that the reward he is looking for in the next life might come from one of God's former acolytes instead.


There 
is 
no 
ideals, 
ideas, 
thoughts, 
anything. 
All 
legal 
techniques 
are 
ways 
to 
protect 
your 
*money* 
not 
your 
ideas, 
for 
ideas 
are 
recurrent, 
inherent 
and 
natural.

You 
can 
sue 
me 
because 
you 
have 
a 
patent 
and 
I 
implemented 
the 
same 
thing, 
only 
later, 
but 
you 
*CAN'T* 
sue 
me 
because 
I 
had 
the 
same 
idea 
as 
you 
had.

Saint R. - we can finally agree on something. You have no ideas. Since all comes from nature, in your view, noting you are or have is yours. It is all something you got from someone else. Since, in nature, most things are taken by force (the lion does not ask for permission to eat a goat), whatever you have or are, was acquired the same way.

Thieves always take by force or stealth. infinging a patent is just another form of this. 

Not quite sure, however, how you are going to reconcile this incessant thievery of yours with your hopes of sitting at the right hand of the Almighty.



Finally,

I'm 
not 
in 
this 
list 
because 
I 
want 
financial 
return 
or 
I 
think 
that 
my 
ideas 
will 
be 
implemented 
by 
W3C 
so 
I 
can 
further 
sue 
them. 
I'm 
not 
spending 
my 
time 
here 
because 
I 
think 
there 
will 
be 
money 
or 
a 
job 
or 
prizes 
in 
return.

I'm 
here 
to 
make 
this 
world 
a 
better 
place 
and, 
for 
a 
change, 
people 
could 
stop 
suing 
each 
other 
for 
something 
they 
were 
naturally 
selected 
to 
do.

Dear Saint R.  Let me make two points.

1)  I will always treasure the chance to have conversed with you. Your natural superiority to all of the rest of us is heartening.

2)  Let us look to nature to see how this last sentence of yours can be interpreted.

If productive people are naturally selected, then so must be unproductive people. In nature, a bull elk guards his harem. Productive people guard their patents. I wouldn't compare you to a cow elk, because they are productive as well.

You are more like the a frustrated young bull, trying to become productive yet doomed for years to hang around another's herd, hoping one day to secure the status that allows you to become productive.

Like the young bull, bugling his frustration yet fearful that the dominant bull will notice you, you hover around the productive people, hoping one day to join their ranks.

Your fate (because in nature, you have only fate and no chance to change outside the laws of your own genes) does not guarantee   an ultimate success in this world. You may move into the next world with your frustration intact.

Take heart ...  someone will understand.


J.M.





best 
regards,
--renato

[1] 
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml






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