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Re: freebase parallax: user interface for browsing graphs of data

From: carmen r <_@whats-your.name>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:35:11 -0400
To: semantic-web@w3c.org
Message-ID: <20080815043511.GA27733@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

> All I ask of you is the exposure of the Freebase URLs that are already in 
> sight re. the current / basic Freebase pages.  "javascript:{}" is neither 
> URL nor URI.

Brendan disagrees, at least:

"They were a deliberate feature in this sense: I invented the javascript: URL along with JavaScript in 1995, and intended that javascript: URLs could be used as any other kind of URL, including being bookmark-able." 

[1] wikipedia:bookmarklet


i'd agree javascript:{} is uninformative


how about some MQL JSON in there?


freebase:{} would be preferable, as well 


the useragent can provide the context so such URIs do something useful


also GUIDs make baby jesus cry

>
> <<
> The ?people operated? side of things is the world we live in today. As 
> David Huynh?s video discusses, we busy ourselves manually searching by 
> keyword in multiple locations and then compile our results.
> >>
>
> Yes, we may be "less busy" as a result of nice UI (visualization or 
> interaction) but the ultimate goal is stimulation of our inherent cognitive 
> prowess. Thus,  also offer users of these UIs  an optional route to the raw 
> data. On the Web that's simply about URIs or URLs. A stimulated human is an 
> inquisitive human, and an inquisitive human will ultimately seek to explore 
> dimensions associated with observation, perception, and comprehension.
>
>>       (the talkback comments are also valuable)
> Can't comment on zdnet as they still require completion of a full 
> subscription interview first, no OpenID or the like in sight :-(
>
>>
>>    http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/freebase_parallax_taunts_us_wi.php
> No comment, I think that article speaks for itself. From my vantage point, 
> readwriteweb is still grappling with the fundamentals of what comes after 
> REST APIs.
>
>>
>>    
>> http://blog.futurefacts.net/2008/08/14/future-web-freebase-%E2%80%93-killing-google-with-semantic-precision/
> That article is another variant of the readwrite article re. overall 
> comprehension.
>
> None of them answered the question re. Linked or Semantic Web relevance, 
> because none of them seem to understand the essence of either. For 
> instance, they don't see how "Networking" is the constant while points of 
> reference (network entry points) vary over time; we started with Routers 
> (eons ago) and now we are dealing with Entities across Data Spaces [1][2].
>>
>> Those are their opinions alone. I include them here to provide various 
>> perspectives.
>
> Here is my basic opinion:
>
> I don't have an issue with the UI, it's nice, cool, and innovative. I just 
> want it to be part of the Web. Being part of the Web is about accepting 
> that "Linkage" is sacrosanct. Thus, no silos, no matter how pretty, cool, 
> or innovative.
>
> Your visualization is how I would lead a user to a beachead point in the 
> underlying graph so that they could beam a SPARQL + Full Text pattern query 
> down the graph without them ever writing or seeing a line of SPARQL.
>
> Question: Is there any fundamental reason why you cannot expose URIs or 
> URLs where you have "javascript:{}"? Would this break your work in anyway?  
> If you expose the URIs, I would then be able to demonstrate what I mean 
> using your nice UI, how about that?
>
> Links:
>
> 1.  
> http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/presentations/Creating_Deploying_Exploiting_Linked_Data2/Creating_Deploying_Exploiting_Linked_Data2_TimBL_v3.html#(15) 
> -- Start
> 2. 
> http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/presentations/Creating_Deploying_Exploiting_Linked_Data2/Creating_Deploying_Exploiting_Linked_Data2_TimBL_v3.html#(22) 
> -- Where we are headed
>
> Note:
> The presentation above is a remix of presentations by  TimBL and I from the 
> recent Linked Data Planet conference. You've forced my hand re. publication 
> as this remix is also about demonstrating RDFa virtues amongst other things 
> re. the Linked Data Web  :-)
>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>
>
>
>
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