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From: Benjamin Nowack <bnowack@semsol.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:13:05 +0200
To: "c.d.r." <_@whats-your.name>
Cc: semantic-web@w3.org
Message-ID: <PM-GA.20070908111305.8CA8F.1.1D@semsol.com>

On 07.09.2007 17:02:32, c.d.r. wrote:

I see. I'd personally still prefer Keith's proposal as it requires less
client-side processing (in most cases) and feels easier to implement
(less IFs), but your one sounds reasonable, too. It's cleaner model-wise.
Thanks for the clarifications.

Is there a proposed or agreed-on namespace for language tags in those
literal bnode serializations used by simile/metaweb/you?


Benjamin Nowack

>> {
>>    "uri" : "http://...#alec",
>>    "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/name": "Alec Tronnick",
>>    "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows": [
>>       {"uri": "http://...#john"},
>>       {"uri": "http://...#bob"}
>>    ]
>> }
>> ?
>yep, thats it exactly. we dont care if its just a 'uri' or a 'resource' in the
>object position, leaving the option open for nesting - i agree flat is usually
>the choice, except eg a query that returns friends up to 3 degrees of
>seperation apart - fresnel. no point in flatting down after your query and
>re-treeing on the client side just beacuse someones JSON format says you must..
>> How do you define a bnodeID and re-use it, so that you can avoid
>> duplication? Do you set the "uri" key to "_:b1"? (In that case
>> the key name should prolly be changed to "id" or something similar)
>Simile does have a 'uri' and an 'id' key. Metaweb also has a UUID that exists
>regardless of the node having a (relative to freebase) URI or not - so at
>least two groups have found an 'id' key useful. bnodes that dont have IDs are
>kept in-place. so you need the full path (subj and pred) to find them again..
>those are useful for things like language tags:
>{'http://rdfliteral/locale/en_us': 'Hello',
>'http://rdfliteral/locale/fr':'Bonjour'}. its clear they are different
>translations of the same object, and that fact is expressed in RDF..
>> How do you get the prop values of a known resource w/o
>> having to loop through the array? This is one of the
>> advantages I see in the RDF/JSON proposal, being able to do
>>    name = resources["http://...#alec"]["http://.../name"][0]["value"]
>> without the need for FORs, IFs or structure checks.
>when theyre cached in the agent, just append them to a 'resources' object
>keyed on the uri so they can be referenced like that. once youve 'looked up'
>the object, you still have the URI property, so you dont need to keep that in
>a closure or a special 'rdf resource' wrapper class in your app/library..
>> however, are cases where literals have types that go
>> beyond JSON's built-ins, e.g. "foo"^^ex:someDatatype,
>there is a URI for ex:someDataType. you can use 'literal bnodes' as mentioned
>above to handle with this, without breaking down to those nasty 'literal' and
>'value' and 'datatype' fields that surely signal youre doing something wrong
>(for one, keeping some of your model outside of triple-space, and in
>serialization-space. a problem with RDF/XML that seems to have leaked over to
>Keiths proposal)
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