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Re: Four Questions to Resolve VCard Issue on Ordering/Unordering

From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:22:09 -0400
Message-ID: <46A948C1.3010107@ibiblio.org>
To: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, 'Semantic Web' <semantic-web@w3.org>

Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
>> It seems there is an ordering of suffixes and prefixes in this
>> example in the Spec, and a restriction of cardinality=1 for family
>> name and given-name.
> In which spec? There can be many ordered family names in Spain.
As given by the vCard spec [1] in the following example:

"N:Public;John;Quinlan;Mr.;Esq." and

and by the following sentence: "The structured type value corresponds,
in sequence, to the Family Name, Given Name, Additional Names, Honorific
Prefixes, and Honorific Suffixes."

Now I admit this does present problems for Spanish naming conventions,
where there are usually two given names and two family names. However,
there is usually some sort of ordering, so I assume if one takes given
name and family name simply to place-holders in an ordering (the first
and last respectively, although oddly enough vCard presents the list as
(last, first, rest...), then it's fine. I do think this problem is
endemic to most languages, but if you want a single ordered list of
names you have to do something.

Also, I do think we inherit this problem from vCard, and I am loathe to
start "fixing" vCard, because if we do we cannot round-trip easily from
vCard/RDF to vCard, which is one of our design goals.

[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/rfc2426#sec3.1.2

>> So, please answer the question is detail (as in, 1) "yes" 2) "no" 3)
>> "no" 4) "yes") with any supporting comments or examples, and as soon
>> as I get something resembling consensus (by end of the day hopefully,
>> since this is such an active topic), I will hit republish button on
>> the spec.
> Tim


Harry Halpin,  University of Edinburgh 
http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin 6B522426
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