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Re: Semantic Web as Pragmatic Web

From: <editor@content-wire.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:36:03 +0700
Message-ID: <008401c84525$c93e7800$b30a010a@Paola>
To: "Alexander Zelitchenko" <zelitchenk@yahoo.com>
Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>
Alexander
thanks a lot for your thoughts
My idea behind the semantic web corresponds to what we are now starting to call the pragmatic web
except that 'semantic web' was the name given at the time
Also my ideas of what the pragmatic web is/can be/will be is slightly different from your description, and slightly different from what the manifesto says

I would say that we could start by creating a definition, or set of definitions that we can all agree on
(otherwise it will be 'my pragmatic web')

Regarding the technology, I do think that futures gen web technologies will evolve towards what is currently defined as pw, but I do perceive that as a natural evolution of the sw and maybe therefore
will require a terminology adaptation ie name change

finally I do think that from the pw vision a few pointers should come to help untangle the current struggles and knots that we are in the sw - as a lot of the problems that we may get stuck into today may not be central to what is ahead - but this can only happen if we open up the debate to all interested parties
(I still have not received the mail confirmation from the pw mailing list! is it implicit? is anyone else on that list who could kindly nudge the list moderators on my behalf? thanks)

more to talk I guess...
cheers

PDM

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alexander Zelitchenko 
  To: editor@content-wire.com 
  Cc: semantic-web@w3.org 
  Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Semantic Web as Pragmatic Web


    I'll simply try to explain my vision of your questions.

    1. What does 'pragmatic web' mean, as opposed to 'semantic web?'
    (is it just another buzzword, or does it better convey the meaning of
    what is intended? 

    I use 'pragmatic web' not like synonym for 'semantic web'. Pragmatic web is subset of semantic web, where the practically infinite set of classes, traits, relations, attributes and so on is limited in effective way by intentions of web-participants.

    The second moment seems to be very important is that 'real ontology' is determined in pragmatic web in process of INTERACTION (between 2 human participants, as it is in "Manifest of pragmatic Web group" or between dialog wizard and one human participant in the article, which I propose to your attention).

    2. Are semantic web technologies, as we are developing them today,
    going to be capable of delivering 'pragmatic' capabilities (that is
    are they going to be capable of supporting context sensitive
    reasoning?If not, what is missing)

    I do not think, that they are capable. There are a lot of things, which are well known to cognitive psychologists, but are missed in present approaches. First is experience. All human semantic is based on human experience (internal images of the world, as the world is represented namely by this person). The second thing is that human semantic is always semantic of acting human being with his aims, intentions, repertoir of actions and so on. The third thing is that human system for processing of meanings is multilevel one, where different levels use not exactly same principles of processing. There is also even more metaphysical 'fourth' principle of human semantic - "making of senses", but they must be discussed separately.  

    3. What kind of vision is there for the pragmatic web, what technologies?

    Pragmatic Web may include some thing (like seeing Web participant as acting persons, for example) into consideration and actively use man-machine interaction to clarifying 'real semantic'.

    4. How would the vision for the pragmatic web fit into the vision for
    the semantic web?

    Semantic Web today is philosophy and technology. Pragmatic Web is part of the same philosophy, but propose quite different technology. Technology of semantic web works well only in very formal application. The more application informal the less semantic web technology is appropriate. On the contrary, pragmatic web is addressed to wide range of 'non-formal' applications. Thus relationships between these 2 classes of technologies must resulted in each of them will be used for its own tasks. 


    See also


    http://www.pragmaticweb.info/

    Here the Pragmatic Web manifesto:

    http://www.wi1.uni-hohenheim.de/Publikationen/2006/PragWebManifesto.pdf




      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Alexander Zelitchenko 
      To: semantic-web@w3.org 
      Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:12 PM
      Subject: Re: Semantic Web as Pragmatic Web


      Dear Adrian;

      Thank you too much. I read their manifest and do see that there are some co-thinking. Their main idea of human interaction, based on interactors' aims, to develop common ontology in specific field of mutual interest seems to be rather strong. Their criticism in respect of common Semantic Web restriction is quite precise. I defenetely will trace their activity and try to show them my vision. Once again - thank you.

      With best regards
      Alexander


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