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Re: Tag ontology RFC

From: Seth Russell <russell.seth@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:23:42 -0800
Message-ID: <41d2744305032413237a821935@mail.gmail.com>
To: Richard Newman <r.newman@reading.ac.uk>
Cc: semantic-web@w3.org, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>

Richard,

It's hard for me to grok an ontology by just looking at text, so i
mentographed it; see  http://robustai.net/folksonomy/Tag-ontology.html
.  Then too its nice to see an example of it use used in a real
Tagging; see
http://robustai.net/folksonomy/aTagging.html

You might want to compare the example with the RSS feed that you get
back from delicious,  (see the RSS button at the bottom of the page
for that tag).   After working with this i am pretty convinced that a
Tagging is a RSS item.

I think that "taggedWithTag" and "tag"  are arrows drawn in the wrong
direction.  I suggest staying close (if not identical) to the RSS.  I
drew the arrows that i would prefer in red.

If you like my choce of "tags.ontology", you might tag you items with
it and we can use del.icio.us to focus this discussion.

Thanks for the dialogue
Seth Russell





On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:27:07 +0000, Richard Newman
<r.newman@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
> Danny, Seth, sw@w3:
>    I've thrown together an early draft of a tag ontology. There's
> nothing synset-ey in there yet (other than using SKOS ConceptSchemes),
> but it all ties gently in with the SKOS vocab. I'd be looking to extend
> this integration if possible.
> 
>    Danny, your email re the WordPress plugin was very interesting; I
> think it follows through with this, in that you could do the following:
> 
> <item rdf:about=" ... ">
>    <dc:subject>Programming</dc:subject>
>    <tags:taggedWithTag rdf:resource="
> ...my/personal/url/or/delicious/... /tag/programming" />
>    <!-- or even mangle it a bit by still using dc:subject! -->
> </item>
> 
> and in the tags RDF...
> 
> <Tag rdf:about="#programming">
>    <tagName>Programming</tagName>
>    <!-- whatever SKOS properties you'd like to use; it's a subclass of
> Concept.
>         I'd like a better way of doing names; SKOS doesn't quite work,
> as prefLabel and
>         altLabel don't capture the intended semantics. -->
> </Tag>
> 
>    I'd love some (preferably constructive, but any kind will do!)
> feedback from interested parties; blog it, mail me, or mail to the
> list. Everything's on the Web:
> 
> RDF/XML: <http://www.holygoat.co.uk/owl/redwood/0.1/tags/>
> "hidden" N3 version:
> <http://www.holygoat.co.uk/owl/redwood/0.1/tags/tags.n3>
> 
>    The first URL should be persistent (though the ontology contents are
> in flux, of course); the second one should stick around too.
> 
>    Cheers,
> -R
> 
> 


-- 
Seth Russell
www.speaktomecatalog.com
Received on Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:24:13 UTC

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