DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #645 Agenda 2016-06-07

DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #645 Agenda 2016-06-07


Andy will chair this meeting.

PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED 
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!

Changes in this agenda:



This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.2 (F&O)
J4.3 (Serialization)
J4.4 (XPath)
Q2.3 (XQuery)


Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting


Teleconference connection details
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(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html



SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
====================
Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the 
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if 
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a 
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must 
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in 
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new 
production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision 
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was 
properly applied.


NEW ACTION ITEMS
================
Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that 
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were 
assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", 
"that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this 
problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional 
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire 
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear 
action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require 
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are 
accompanied by their titles.



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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Michael Sperberg-McQueen has been asked to take the minutes.  Michael Dyck 
has been asked to stand by.


NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 
meeting.


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Adam Retter         - 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09
Michael Dyck        - 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01
Josh Spiegel        - 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08
Abel Braaksma       - 
Norm Walsh          - 2016-04-05, 2015-12-15, 2015-09-22
Jonathan Robie      - 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27
Mike Kay            - 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01, 2015-11-10
Liam Quin           - 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06
Tim Mills           - 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08
John Snelson        - 2016-05-24, 2016-01-12, 2015-07-16



J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex 
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent 
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.


XML Query WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org

XSL WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org


Regrets:




J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?



J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #644 (John)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0038.html



J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


ACTION A-637-02:  JRobie to include the note in Comment #8 of Bug 29419. 
Note also comment #11.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-640-03: Jonathan to document the decision: Partial function 
application never returns a map or an array. if $F is a map or an array 
then $F(?) is legal, it returns a function and the function is not a map 
or an array.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-640-04: Jonathan Robie to resolve Bug #29277 by making the 
changes from comment #20 items 2 and 5. 

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-641-03 (bug 29583) Jonathan to add xs:anySimpleType to the list 
of types for which there is no constructor function.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-641-04 (bug 29277) Jonathan to make the editorial changes needed.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-641-05 (bug 29509) Jonathan to make a proposal to resolve this 
bug.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-641-11 (bug 29592) (array and map prefixes). Action on Tim to 
resolve the issue in the way suggested in the bug report.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-641-14 on Jonathan and Michael Dyck to agree revised wording to 
resolve the potential ambiguity in the resolution of action A-636-08 as 
described in 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0020.html.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-641-15 (bug 29576) (date/time limits) on Jonathan to apply the 
proposed text in comment #1 of the bug report.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17


ACTION A-642-02 Mike Kay to implement the change he suggested in bug
29588
to make the prose normative for duplicate keys
 
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-06-07


ACTION A-642-03 Mike Kay to make editorial change in 29593 (search
terms)
 
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-06-07


ACTION A-643-01: MikeK to update proposal on Bug 29555.
 
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-06-07


ACTION A-643-02: MikeK to fix definition of array:join so that joining 
zero arrays returns an empty array.
 
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-06-07


ACTION A-643-03: MikeK to address Bug 29608 - Fragment identifiers in 
fn:doc etc.  Adopted Plan A.  normative text remains as is (inconsistent 
funcitons), add health warning on doc()
 
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-06-07


ACTION A-643-05:  Andy to investigate how to solve Q2.3.2 Bug 29610 - 
Differing namespace definitions for xqt-errors.
 
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-644-02 Michael Kay to implement the change proposed in bug 29660.
 
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.



J1.5.2 Completed action items


ACTION A-644-01 O'Neil - look into tests tests FODC0004 and FODC0005-1 in 
misc-CombinedErrorCodes as per bug 29404
 
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0039.html


ACTION A-644-03 Tim to revise his proposal in bug 29586 "The judgement 
subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)" with changes from today's discussion
 
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0040.html



J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)



J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)



J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Apr/0000.html



J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

(none)


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.


J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
        consultation. 


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
XSLT WG documents

(none)



J4. Active Specification Development


** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.



J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt


J4.2.1 Bug 29555 - [FO31] 9.8.4.2 The Width Modifier
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29555

Status: Pending completion of A-643-01


J4.2.2 Discussion of op:same-key
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jun/0000.html

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.2.3 Bug 29663 - map:for-each
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29663

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.2.4 Bug 29671 - [Fo31] fn:random-number-generator
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29671

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt


J4.3.1 Bug 29664 - [SER31] 9.1.17 JSON Output Method: the 
json-node-output-method Parameter
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29664

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.3.2 Bug 29665 - [SER31] JSON escaping
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29665

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.3.3 Bug 29658 - [SER31] Problem with schema
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29658

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


J4.4.1 Bug 29509 - Functions: External, Implementation-Defined, Host 
Language
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29509
 
Status: Pending completion of A-641-05


J4.4.2 Bug 29683 - [XP31] Map lookup through function-call syntax does not 
explain what happens if the key does not exist
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29683

Status: Redy to discuss



J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

(none)


J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools


J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results

Status: Currently three implementers submitted results



J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, 
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J5.2 Update 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft

At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found 
no great enthusiasm for doing the work.  We cannot progress without plans 
for a test suite and potential implementers.  The WG needs to decide what 
to do with this spec.

Status: Ready to discuss



J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite


J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications. 


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources



J7. Adjourn




=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 
specifications.


Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt

* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.


Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See 
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html

* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed 
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to 
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.


Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


Q2.3.1 Bug 29586 - [XQ31] 2.5.6.2 The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586

Status: Ready to discuss; See revised proposal:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0040.html


Q2.3.2 Bug 29622 - [XQ31] Atomization in Postfix Lookup, Unary Lookup
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29622

Status: Ready to discuss


Q2.3.3 Bug 29634 - [XQ31] ExtensionExpr
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29634

Status: Ready to discuss



Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt


(none)


Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests 



Q4. Any other business



Q5. Adjourn

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