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Minutes from XML Schema Patterns for Databinding call 30 January 2007

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:38:25 -0000
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minutes from today's call are now available:

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/1/30-databinding-minutes.html

and copied below for tracker's searching:


W3C 

                                   - DRAFT -

                         Databinding WG Teleconference

30 Jan 2007

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present Jon Calladine (BT)
          George Cowe (Origo Services Limited)
          Paul Downey (BT)
          Yves Lafon (W3C)

   Regrets
          Vladislav Bezrukov (SAP AG)
          Priscilla Walmsley (W3C Invited Expert)

   Chair
          pauld

   Scribe
          pauld

Contents

     * Topics
         1. Administrivia
         2. Processing Last Call Comments
         3. CR Exit Criteria
         4. Test Suite
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________

Administrivia

   minutes from 16/1 and 19/12 approved

   dinner arrangements for 13th or 14th?
   .. sorry to drag you away on Valentine's day!

   gcowe: been working on some patterns and examples, trying to CVS
   sorted

   <Yves> see http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xmlp-rec-issues.html
   generated from .xml

Processing Last Call Comments

   http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/lc-issues/

   yves: used several tools including Bugzilla for LC, but simple files
   often work best

   <scribe> ACTION: ylafon to obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC stylesheet
   [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC
   stylesheet [on Yves Lafon - due 2007-02-06].

   pauld: a lot of our LC comments are editorial, what's the process, do
   we need the WG to get involved?

   yves: one line in the minutes is sufficient

   pauld: our strong process will help deal with comments
   ... there is a meta-question in Microsoft's comments, things may not
   get better!

   gcowe: Origo needs things to get better

   yves: customer demand is unlikely to allow a vendor to lower the bar

   pauld: i understand the thinking may be coloured by wanting to map to
   and from simple forms such as JSON

   jonc: we restrict name clashes, so distinction between mapping to JSON
   and Java is mute

   pauld: customer demand is key here IMO

   jonc: are they thinking code first, or mapping WSDL to code?

   pauld: Indigo separates "contract" from implementation, but we'd
   probably say the contract is fairly code centric
   ... ignoring our buckets, at least Microsoft and Origo can go away and
   write their own Basic specs and have a conversation as a result of our
   work
   ... chased the Schema WG, and had positive response, but a worry we've
   done too much work for them to review
   ... we need to help them

   jonc: have they any meetings planned?

   yves: not sure, only one person is reviewing, AIUI

   pauld: worried they're being too fastidious, but our detection and
   test suite will help their review
   ... we do need to do some work to help their review
   ... it's down to me to rack up the LC comments so we can process them

   jonc: looking at Microsoft's comments, chimes in with one of our
   issues

   <scribe> ACTION: jcalladi to investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and
   maxOccurs [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and
   maxOccurs [on Jonathan Calladine - due 2007-02-06].

CR Exit Criteria

   pauld: what do we need to do to skip CR

   yves: documentation in out testsuite / implementation report should be
   sufficient

   pauld: do we need to say how many implementations we need - 2, 4, 13?

   yves: our judgment call

   pauld: so our test suite is our exit criteria

Test Suite

   yves: enlisted some assistance to put up the validation service
   ... also been looking at generating the test results

   pauld: happy for you to re-specify the format to suite your purposes
   ... struggled through a power-cut testing Axis 1.x and Axis2 and Xfire
   ... barfdance.sh is clumsy with a WAR files
   ... should be ok for the BEA tools as well

   gcowe: need to get a new websphere tool version

   <scribe> ACTION: pdowney to enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley
   [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Enlist help from IBM contacts in
   Hursley [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-06].

   pauld: green and red is going to help motivate us and others to
   contribute

   ADJOURNED

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: jcalladi to investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and
   maxOccurs [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: pdowney to enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley
   [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: ylafon to obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC stylesheet
   [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
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