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Minutes from XML Schema Patterns for Databinding call 30 May 2006

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:00:24 +0100
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Minutes from today's telcon:

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html

and below for tracker's searching:


                             - DRAFT -

                     Databinding WG Teleconference

30 May 2006

   [2]Agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          Jon Calladine, (BT)
          George Cowe (Origo Services)
          Paul Downey (Chair, BT)
          Otu Ekanem (BT)
          Yves Lafon (W3C)
          Ajith Ranabahu (WSO2)

   Regrets
   Chair
          pauld

   Scribe
          pauld

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Admin
         2. [6]ISSUE-52: identify patterns with URIs
         3. [7]ISSSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
         4. [8]ISSUE-58: anonymous complexType
         5. [9]ISSUE-12 (again)
         6. [10]ISSUE-61: Movement of Patterns between Basic and
            Advanced Specifications
         7. [11]Example Schemas from HL7 and Origo
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



   <trackbot> Date: 30 May 2006

   <scribe> Scribe: pauld

Admin

   pauld: lines up meeting for next week, BT will all be in a
   room monday

   <JonC> Colombo House, 50 - 60 Blackfriars Road SE1 8NZ but
   contact paul and myself if you want to attend

ISSUE-52: identify patterns with URIs

   yves: will ping DanC re a microformat for GRDDL
   ... on holiday next week, but will monitor email!
   ... generation of XSD and WSDL still outstanding

   pauld: may pick up this work

   yves: had to do some cvs fixup following generating spurious
   directories, so refresh your cvs images

ISSSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema

   gcowe: haven't spent too much time on this, but did start on
   the schematron and the catch-all

   gcowe: trying to get Mark's time, we're busy this week, but
   will be available for the meeting mon/tues

ISSUE-58: anonymous complexType

   pauld: raised against advanced by accident rather than design
   ... concerned at this point that people don't understand how
   we're working
   ... if a pattern isn't in the Basic patterns document, it
   isn't a Basic pattern
   ... people should realise that if they expect their schemas to
   be Basic Patterns compliant, then they need to submit them

   pauld: sees another issue, how do we know when we're done

   <scribe> ACTION: pdowney to send mail to clarify how we're
   working re ISSUE-58 [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-minutes.html#acti
   on01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Send mail to clarify how we\'re
   working re ISSUE-58 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-06-06].

ISSUE-12 (again)

   pauld: Ajith has joined
   ... george and I picking up detection work
   ... would like Tungsten to become an leading example on how
   databinding toolkits may use our testsuite
   ... especially regarding 'echo' service

   ajith: happy to help

ISSUE-61: Movement of Patterns between Basic and Advanced
Specifications

   pauld: created from discussion at F2F

   proposal is to mark all Basic patterns at risk of being moved
   to advanced

   <Ajith> things seem to break up once in a while

   and Advanced patterns may be moved to Basic (depending upon
   timing)

   ajith: do you want to document the criteria for moving between
   advanced and basic?

   pauld: yes, it has to work with all "mainstream" toolkits,
   which is a value judgement

   jonc: CR testing will help justify a pattern being moved

   RESOLUTION: ISSUE-61 closed with enclosed proposal to mark all
   basic patterns as "at risk"

Example Schemas from HL7 and Origo

   gcowe: we had an internal review and the bulk, if not all, of
   the Origo patterns have now all been raised as issues

   pauld: concerned about HL7 (and other verticals) not
   submitting "patterns" for their schema constructs

   gcowe: our test tools may throw up some patterns

   pauld: once we have a validation, people will try their own
   schemas out, which may lead to more patterns being collected
   ... we also have a set of schemas collected from the wild in
   Henry Thompson's schema collection which I have a copy (status
   of this unknown)
   ... concern in general we're not going to cover all patterns
   in general use

   jonc: publishing may flush more out

   pauld: publishing something incomplete as Last Call is more
   expensive in terms of the process and our time than including
   patterns now

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: pdowney to send mail to clarify how we're
   working re ISSUE-58 [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-minutes.html#acti
   on01]

   [End of minutes]
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References

   1. http://www.w3.org/
   2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006May/0051.html
   3. http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-irc
   4. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#agenda
   5. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item01
   6. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item02
   7. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item03
   8. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item04
   9. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item05
  10. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item06
  11. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#item07
  12. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/5/30-databinding-minutes.html#ActionSummary
  13. http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-minutes.html#action01
  14. http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-minutes.html#action01
  15. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
  16. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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