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XML Security Specifications Maint WG weekly

10 Jul 2007

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas_Roessler, Ed_Simon, Sean_Mullen, Hal_Lockhart, Rob_Miller, Juan, Carlos, Curellas, Konrad, Lanz
Regrets
Chair
Frederick Hirsch
Scribe
hal

Contents


 

 

<tlr> Date: 10 July 2007

<tlr> previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0000.html

<fjh> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call

<fjh> ScribeNick: hal

<fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

<fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

administrivia

<tlr> next meeting 17 July, Thomas to scribe

Resolution: call on July 24 canceled

fjh: wiki technology to change
... should not affect this WG
... will inform ok unless hear otherwise
... workshop CFP is out, please publicise

Approve Minutes

<tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-xmlsec-minutes

resolution: approved unanimously

Action Item Review

<tlr> ACTION-35 closed

ACTION-35 Close no activity

ACTION-50 Open

ACTION-53 Open

ACTION-56 Open Need PK from Juan Carlos

ACTION-57 Close

ACTION-58 Open

ACTION-59 Close

ACTION-60 Close

Interop Questionaire

fjh: please fill out questionaire

<tlr> questionnaire: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40279/interop-sched/

fjh: is there risk to only three impls?

jcc: we have an impl

sean: just started on C14N

<tlr> ACTION: fjh to contact Aleksey Sanin about interop and attendance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-61 - Contact Aleksey Sanin about interop and attendance [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-07-17].

test cases

jcc: developed categories of tests
... legacy tests
... c14N 1.1 tests
... covering changes
... application of implicit and explicit C14N

<fjh> c14n11 test for each xml namespace attribute

jcc: for example with xml:id
... last group for checking rules for coding Dnames
... some tests are missing right now
... use Konrad's examples as basis of tests
... fjh: C14N 1.1 has both input and output

klanz2: only some tests have input and output

fjh: will need input and output for every test

jcc: can link from doc to test cases

sean: will we wait for working impl to create output?
... or will we do it by hand

<fjh> klanz2: review process in parallel with test case development

<fjh> ... put test cases in, then review before workshop what is needed

jcc: certain examples in C14N document
... use as way of checking

<fjh> hal: reiterating sean's question - what is strategy for testing correctness?

<fjh> ... need time for hand crafting

jcc: proposing using examples from docs as test cases where possible
... Dname encoding more difficulet
... might need many certificates

<fjh> ACTION: jcc to send email describing examples to clarify testing issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-62 - Send email describing examples to clarify testing issues [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-07-17].

klanz: not too formal, just put test cases in CVS
... if we get different results we can examine
... for implicit or explicit just create document to sign
... run against old and new versions of XML Canonicalization

sean: agree C14N test cases can be generated by hand

<fjh> sean: c14n test cases can be generated by hand, then generate sigs against those

jcc: agree, everybody should look at test case document

<tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/testcases.html

<sean> +1 to fjh

<klanz2> webcvs ?

<fjh> ACTION: fjh to write up process outline for interop [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-63 - Write up process outline for interop [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-07-17].

tlr: clarified CVS machinery

jcc: suggest action to those creating test cases to avoid duplicate effort

fjh: need to review jcc document

in summary, will be a doc on the process

another doc with all categories of test containing links to actual tests

<fjh> klanz: need to determine naming of test cases, first case defines it, subsequent use that name

tests to be in CVS, use CVS to manage conflicts, duplicate work

<fjh> ... keep it easy

<klanz2> RecommendationRef.SpecificIssue[.SpecificSub-Issue]#TestNumber-(positive | negative | caveat)

<fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

<klanz2> ok for me

fjh: need to take this to the list

XML Signature Draft

<fjh> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data

fjh: are we happy with this document?
... ed made comment

EdS: draft is condridictory
... propose 2 changes to clarify Dname encoding

tlr: current text is more leniant than RFC 4514
... need seperate section, editorial change

<fjh> thomas: not contradictory since RFC defines grammar, more lenient than augmentation

EdS: could be less confusing

<tlr> http://www.w3.org/mid/000001c7c290$863f19f0$6800a8c0@XMLSEC004

tlr: see what Ed is suggesting, disagree
... two sections reference different things

<klanz2> +1 to tlr

tlr: constraint on string and how to generate string

<fjh> seems like we need to clarify that we speak of grammar and generation rules

<fjh> agreed proposal: "DN should be represented as in sec 3, generated as in sec ..

<tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data

<klanz2> not there yet

tlr: propose changes to section 4.4.4

<fjh> . The distinguished name SHOULD be represented as a string that complies with section 3 of

<tlr> http://nelson.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/Overview.html

<sean> looks ok to me

<fjh> http://nelson.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/Overview.html#sec-X509Data

<fjh> looks ok to me

<EdS> looks good to me

<klanz2> The distinguished name SHOULD be represented as a string that complies with section 3 of that SHOULD be compliant with RFC22534514 [LDAP-DN],

resolution: agree to change

<tlr> RESOLUTION: WG agrees to E01 resolution in Editor's Draft $Date: 2007/07/10 14:07:04 $

<tlr> woo-hoo!

<EdS> I just want to make a note for the minutes that TLR was highlighting that we want to distinguish between compliance and generation and so we will keep the original text while also adding my suggested additions (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0008.html).

<tlr> hal, still on IRC?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: fjh to contact Aleksey Sanin about interop and attendance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: fjh to write up process outline for interop [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: jcc to send email describing examples to clarify testing issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html#action02]
 
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