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Re: change to test suite overview page - request for review and comments

From: C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:15:37 -0600
Cc: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>, public-xml-schema-testsuite@w3.org, Henry Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>, David Ezell <David_E3@VERIFONE.com>
Message-Id: <4C5D9A2D-CAA1-40EA-BD3C-10DB447CF854@blackmesatech.com>
To: Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com>

On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Michael Kay wrote:

> A couple of typos:
> "tests which have not changes since"
> "considerably extending there 2002 contributions."

Thanks; corrected these.

> There is information about read-only access to the public repository here:
> http://dev.w3.org.cvsweb.info/
> No idea whether it works!

I've added both a pointer and a brief description of one form the
commands might take.

> It perhaps should be emphasized more clearly that you need to download the last general-release ZIP file, and then download from CVS on top of that to get the changes - it's a rather unorthodox and unfriendly mechanism.

Thanks; I've tried to say this more clearly, and I have taken the liberty of quoting
your description, which seems a graceful way of warning the reader that the
XSTS is set up in the way that differs from what at least many readers will

Another question arises when I walk through the steps described,
trying to expand the description to provide a little more guidance.

The table of releases includes a link to a file named xsts-2007-06-20.tar.gz;
which makes me think that it is intended to reflect the status of the test
suite on 20 June 2007.  (When I check the tar.gz file out of CVS, it gets
a file system date of 6 July 2007, but the log shows it was indeed initially
checked in on 20 June 2007.)  But when I unzip the file, what I get is a 
directory bearing the date 2006-11-06.  This may be related to the fact
that the tar.gz file is in a directory called xmlschema2006-11-06 on the
main W3C server, and to the fact that on dev.w3.org, the current version 
of the test suite appears to live in a directory called xmlschema2006-11-06,
which itself is a child of a directory named 2004-01-14.  (It has siblings
named xmlschema2002-01-16/, xmlschema2004-01-14/, and 

Perhaps my brain power is not up to the standard expected of users of
the test suite, but I am finding the parent/child relations here a little 
confusing.   I can think of several possibilities:

1 There is a systematic design for the organization and naming of
these directories, there is someone in the world who understands it,
and it's important (or at least worthwhile) to carry on in the same way.

In that case, someone who understands what is going on here 
needs to explain it to me, so that in the course of managing the
test suite I can carry on in the same way and not break things.

2 There is, or was, a systematic design for the organization and naming,
but it's not important to maintain it.

In that case, it would be nice if someone could explain the 
organization and naming to me, and if we could get the explanation
into a document for future users of this material.   But for ongoing
work, I suspect that it would simplify life to retire the existing
directories and make a new home for the test suite, for example as
a top-level module in dev.w3.org, with a directory structure that
would be documented from the outset.  That new home could have a
pointer to the old location, but would not be responsible for 
explaining it.

3 There is not a systematic design or explanation for the naming;
they should be regarded as opaque identifiers.

In that case, I definitely would like to move the test suite to a new
location and give it names that make some sense.

Comments welcome.


> On 13/10/2010 5:04 PM, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen wrote:
>> In an attempt to make the XSD test suite a little easier to acquire
>> and use, for people who don't already have it and aren't already
>> using it, I've added a section to the test suite overview page at
>>   http://www.w3.org/XML/2004/xml-schema-test-suite/index.html#getit
>> with instructions for obtaining a copy of the test suite.  Essentially
>> it consists of a paraphrase of Henry Thompson's account of the
>> expected usage pattern for the test suite, in his message of 7 June
>> to this list:
>>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-schema-testsuite/2010Jun/0005.html
>> Those who understand how things are supposed to work in their
>> current configuration are asked to review the new section for
>> factual accuracy; those who don't are asked to review it for
>> clarity (and optionally to try the process and see if it works for
>> them as they would expect it to).
>> One question that arises immediately for me, as I try to execute
>> the steps:  I'm asked for my SSH passphrase.  That's fine for me,
>> because I do have an SSH key on the relevant machine; what must
>> users do who wish to check out a read-only copy of the current
>> material and update it?  Are they required to get an SSH key and
>> have it installed, or is there a different way to invoke CVS so as
>> to get the data in the CVS repository without having an SSH key?
>> Different, that is, from the command I gave, which was
>>    cvs -d dev.w3.org:/sources/public \\
>>       checkout -d xsts1.1 \\
>>       XML/xml-schema-test-suite/2004-01-14/xmlschema2006-11-06
>> Thanks,
>> Michael Sperberg-McQueen

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