- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:13:09 -0500
- To: public-xml-processing-model-wg@w3.org
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See http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes
[1]W3C
- DRAFT -
XML Processing Model WG
Meeting 207, 26 Jan 2012
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Henry, Norm, Vojtech, Jim, Alex, Cornelia, Carine
Regrets
Mohamed
Chair
Norm
Scribe
Norm
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Accept this agenda?
2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
3. [7]Next meeting: telcon, 2 February 2012
4. [8]Review of open action items
5. [9]Processor profiles WD published
6. [10]Rechartering troubles
7. [11]XProc V.next discussion
8. [12]Any other business
* [13]Summary of Action Items
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Accept this agenda?
-> [14]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-agenda
Accepted.
Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
-> [15]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/19-minutes.html
Accepted.
Next meeting: telcon, 2 February 2012
No regrets heard.
Review of open action items
A-206-01: continued
A-206-02: continued
A-206-03: completed
->
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Jan/0041.html
Processor profiles WD published
Norm: Yay us.
-> [17]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-xml-proc-profiles-20120124/
<scribe> ACTION: Norm to setup the last call comment list for new LCWD
[recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
Rechartering troubles
Norm: We got pushback on the charter; one of the possible solutions is to
put FPWD of 2.0 in the charter.
Carine: We got pushback because the goals weren't defined clearly enough.
... I was also surprised to see that issue of Rec-track documents as
pushback. We've done that before for requirements and use cases.
Some discussion of the clarity of our goals.
Norm: So, basically, if we want to do V.next, we'll need to have a
workshop or some other event to gauge interest. And if we don't put V.next
in the charter, we won't get chartered.
Carine: I think that's basically the case.
Norm: Liam suggests putting FPWD of 2.0 and the possibility of a workshop
in the charter. Maybe we should do that.
Cornelia: And why wouldn't we do that, isn't that what we want to do?
Henry: Yes, but earlier conversations suggested that we weren't ready to
do 2.0.
Alex: But we have community feedback for 2.0
Henry: Yes, I think Liam just needs help writing that: point to wiki,
point to mailing list.
<scribe> ACTION: Norm to work with Liam to get a new charter proposal
drafted along those lines. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action02]
XProc V.next discussion
Norm: I sent a list of low-hanging fruit items.
->
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Jan/0041.html
Norm: And Vojtech observes that it doesn't anything about non-XML.
... And I think maybe we could do something smallish about that.
Vojtech: I was thining especially about small stuff.
... Like if you could save binary data, with p:store.
... To make it more symetrical. We have p:load with p:document and p:data
but we have nothing to store binary data.
Norm: Yes, and an option on p:store seems pretty straightfoward.
Vojtech: What I did is just what Norm did, I added an extension to
p:store. But mine was a bit more generic in the sense that both and XML
and non-XML data can flow through the pipeline. Whatever the p:store gets,
it saves it.
... I was thinking about p:document and p:data and their relationship. At
the moment I didn't want to change that much. I changed p:data so that it
can produce binary data that's not base64 encoded.
... But I wonder if p:document, if you point it to binary data, whether it
should do the same thing. Or if p:data should return XML.
Norm: We should consider a proposal to do some work in this area; being
able to load XML, HTML, JSON, etc.
Jim: In the past, have we ever talked about p:document*s*?
Henry: Yes, the possibility of having a set of documents flowing through
the pipeline was there in the Markup pipeline. We did discuss it briefly,
a while ago.
... But it's not low-hanging fruit. You have to talk about how to generate
names for these things; it really has to be a map so that steps down the
pipeline can extract documents from the set.
Jim: But multiple p:document elements can be used. That might let you
implement something like an ant fileset.
Vojtech: So like in ant, you could specify a base URI and some sort of
mask, so you get a sequence of files.
Jim: it's a little awkward to work with sets of files and baking in at
that level would remove the contortion from some pipelines.
Norm: That seems like it might be low hanging fruit; you could implement
it yourself.
Jim: Yes, but it wouldn't bake in at the p:input level.
Norm: Yeah, I can see that.
... I'll add that to the low-hanging fruit.
Alex: With AVTs, I can imagine that we might be able to do the same sort
of thing with HTTP URIs.
... So if you had a set of documents, you could iterate with numerical
positions, perhaps.
Vojtech: You can also imagine doing this on the p:load step.
Jim: I've got one other thing. I did an experiment with my implementation,
I enabled "AVT-everywhere".
Norm: You mean you made "{" and "} expand everywhere all the time.
Vojtech: But what if you want to include an XSLT pipelien?
Jim: You can turn it on and off.
Norm: I don't understand how that works.
Jim: There are lots of details; I just made them up.
Alex: That sounds a little bit like an alternative pipeline syntax.
Norm: I'd like to see some examples.
Norm runs through his list
<jfuller> completely agree on xpath 2.0 going forwards
Vojtech: There's also the question of optional not-specified options.
<jfuller> [21]https://github.com/jpcs/rbtree.xq
Discussion inevitably returns to parameters.
Cornelia: I think another area we should be looking at is
mashup-technologies. Those should be using XProc.
<jfuller> be great Cornelia if you have any links to mashups tech
Norm: I'll summarize again the low-hanging fruit and then I'd like
everyone to think about whether or not that list is complete.
Any other business
None heard.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Norm to setup the last call comment list for new LCWD
[recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Norm to work with Liam to get a new charter proposal drafted
along those lines. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-agenda
3. http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-irc
4. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#agenda
5. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item01
6. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item02
7. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item03
8. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item04
9. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item05
10. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item06
11. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item07
12. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#item08
13. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-minutes#ActionSummary
14. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/26-agenda
15. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/01/19-minutes.html
16. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Jan/0041.html
17. http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-xml-proc-profiles-20120124/
18. http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action01
19. http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action02
20. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2012Jan/0041.html
21. https://github.com/jpcs/rbtree.xq
22. http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action01
23. http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-xproc-minutes.html#action02
24. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
25. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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