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From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:02:00 -0400
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[1]W3C

                                   - DRAFT -

                            XML Processing Model WG

Meeting 154, 01 Oct 2009

   [2]Agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log

Attendees

   Present
           Norm, Paul, Henry, Mohamed

   Regrets
           Vojtech, Alex

   Chair
           Norm

   Scribe
           Norm

Contents

     * [4]Topics

         1. [5]Accept this agenda?
         2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
         3. [7]Next meeting: telcon 8 Oct 2009
         4. [8]Plans for interim CR draft
         5. [9]Review of open CR issues
         6. [10]166 Steps with no type in p:library
         7. [11]167 Runtime semantics of p:try
         8. [12]Progress on the default processing model?
         9. [13]Any other business

     * [14]Summary of Action Items

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  Accept this agenda?

   -> [15]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda

   Accepted.

  Accept minutes from the previous meeting?

   -> [16]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/17-minutes

   Accepted.

  Next meeting: telcon 8 Oct 2009

   Mohamed gives possible regrets.

  Plans for interim CR draft

   Norm summarizes the status; getting there but not quite ready.

   Norm: I propose a publication date of 12 Oct with a commitment from the
   editor to get a new draft available by close-of-business on 8 Oct.

   No objections heard.

   Proposal: Publish the current editor's working draft, with additional
   changes as seen fit by the editor, as a new interim CR draft on 12 Oct.

   Accepted.

  Review of open CR issues

   -> [17]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/

   Norm: We resolved 163, or rather directed the editor to resolve it, last
   time.

   Norm summarizes his change to the declared output bindings.

   Proposal: The editor got it right.

   Accepted.

   Proposal: This part of 2.2 has been successfully clarified as well.

   Accepted.

   Norm: I think that closes 163.

  166 Steps with no type in p:library

   Norm: I think the status quo is that it isn't an error to do this.
   ... but it does seem a little pointless.

   Mohamed: I think we should say something about this.

   Norm: I think there are two choices: make it an error or just add a note
   about it.

   Norm/Mohamed discuss the fact that an implementation-defined mechanism
   could run them even if they don't have a type.

   Paul: I don't think we should make it an error.

   Norm: It looks to me fairly harmless.

   Proposal: Add a note to the spec to inform readers, but not make it an
   error.

   Accepted.

  167 Runtime semantics of p:try

   Norm expresses his feeling that p:try is still in the spirit of this rule.

   Henry: It is worth putting an explicit note in the spec about this. If all
   it said was the result of a multi container step will always be the result
   of exactly one of it's pipelines, that would be true. But that's not quite
   true for p:try.
   ... I think we should add "with the possible exception of side-effects in
   the main branch of a try/catch in which the try fails."
   ... Pipelines are going to have side effects.

   Some discussion of whether or not the xpath expressions in p:when clauses
   can cause side effects.

   Henry: I think it's worth recasting this.

   <scribe> ACTION: Editor to attempt to clarify this prose, noting that side
   effects may arise in p:group w/i p:try and from XPath expressions
   evaluated by p:when or from the bindings within p:xpath-context. [recorded
   in [18]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-minutes.html#action01]

   Henry: I'd say "with the possible except of side effects, such as..." so
   we don't seem to be enumerating them all.

  Progress on the default processing model?

   Henry reports no progress.

   Henry: I will try to get something done before the face-to-face.

  Any other business

   Norm expresses the goal of getting to PR this month.

   Mohamed: Last time I looked at the test suite, coverage wasn't that good.
   Has it improved?

   Norm: I didn't think it was that bad after we added serialization tests.

   Adjourned.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Editor to attempt to clarify this prose, noting that side
   effects may arise in p:group w/i p:try and from XPath expressions
   evaluated by p:when or from the bindings within p:xpath-context. [recorded
   in [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]

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References

   1. http://www.w3.org/
   2. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda
   3. http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-irc
   4. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#agenda
   5. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item01
   6. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item02
   7. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item03
   8. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item04
   9. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item05
  10. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item06
  11. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item07
  12. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item08
  13. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#item09
  14. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-minutes#ActionSummary
  15. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda
  16. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/17-minutes
  17. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/
  18. http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-minutes.html#action01
  19. http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-minutes.html#action01
  20. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
  21. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/

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