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XProc Minutes 3 Dec 2009

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:51:02 -0500
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[1]W3C

                                   - DRAFT -

                            XML Processing Model WG

Meeting 161, 03 Dec 2009

   [2]Agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log

Attendees

   Present
           Paul, Norm, Alex, Vojtech, Murray, Henry

   Regrets
           Mohamed

   Chair
           Norm

   Scribe
           Norm

Contents

     * [4]Topics

         1. [5]Accept this agenda?
         2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
         3. [7]Next meeting: telcon, 17 Dec 2009
         4. [8]CR issues
         5. [9]174 formal qualification for things like p:xpath-context, etc.
         6. [10]176 p:output and connections
         7. [11]177 p:use-when on non-XProc elements
         8. [12]178 exclude-inline-prefixes
         9. [13]179 use-when and p:episode
        10. [14]180 passing a boolean value as a with-param
        11. [15]181 using tokens
        12. [16]184 iteration position and size
        13. [17]185 content-disposition and content-id
        14. [18]186 encoding and charset
        15. [19]190 Namespace attribute for steps that take wrappers
        16. [20]191 Nodelists as value
        17. [21]Recent editor's draft
        18. [22]Last call plans
        19. [23]Any other business?

     * [24]Summary of Action Items

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  Accept this agenda?

   -> [25]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/12/03-agenda

   Accepted.

  Accept minutes from the previous meeting?

   -> [26]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/11/12-minutes

   ->
   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2009Nov/0026.html

   Accepted.

  Next meeting: telcon, 17 Dec 2009

   Henry and Norm gave regrets for 10 Dec; Paul is at risk; Murray possibly.
   Let's cancel 10 Dec. See you all on 17 Dec.

  CR issues

   -> [28]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/

  174 formal qualification for things like p:xpath-context, etc.

   Henry: This seems to me to be about the question of what is the error. The
   answer is there's been a static error since day one.
   ... What is the error for p:banana in p:for-each

   Norm: For ordinary behavior, I think the answer is clear. I think this is
   about fowards-compatible behavior.

   <ht> or my:zoolander in p:for-each

   Vojtech: It's a static error because it's an unknown element or a dynamic
   error if it's an unknown step.

   Norm: It's a static error in the my:zoolander case because you have to
   have imported a decl for it.

   Henry: You have to use use-when.

   Vojtech: With respect to instruction-avaialble, you can always use the
   version.

   Norm: You can check for an available step, but not an available new thing
   like p:new-serialization.

   Vojtech: That would be a new language feature.

   Norm: Right, and I think we're willing to live with a little less
   flexibility there.

   Vojtech: Checking for p:new-serialization wouldn't be flexible enough, you
   might want to check for an attribute for example.

   Henry: Basically, you want to say "use-when this stylesheet will work" and
   that's just not easy. You'll have to use version numbers for now.
   ... Version-available is all you get in V1 and that's going to have to be
   enough.

   <scribe> ACTION: Henry to follow-up with Vasil. [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action01]

  176 p:output and connections

   <scribe> ACTION: Editor to consider whether it's possible to clarify the
   definitions of atomic and compound steps. [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action02]

  177 p:use-when on non-XProc elements

   Vojtech: There were two things. I think no action is necessary.

   Norm: Perfect, I'll close that one.

  178 exclude-inline-prefixes

   This was discussed at the 12 November meeting. Decision was that no name
   change was necessary.

   Norm: I updated 5.12

   Henry: I saw that and concluded that my action had been overtaken.

   Vojtech: Yes.

   Norm: Proposal: close as resolved

   Accepted.

  179 use-when and p:episode

   Norm: Updated 3.9. Is everyone satisfied?

   Henry: I'm still concerned about listing only what isn't possible. I had
   listed the things that are available.

   Vojtech: If you use use-when in a pipeline labeled version=1.0, then
   step-available only sees the 1.0 steps, right?

   Norm: Uh...

   Vojtech: Which means that during pre-processing you must take version into
   account.

   Norm: Yes, I think that's right.
   ... I think the fact that you're in a 1.0 pipeline is something you must
   know when you evaluate use-when expressions.

   Vojtech: So a 1.0 pipeline with a 2.0 declare-step, if the declare-step
   includes a use-when you have to use 2.0

   Norm: Yes, that's probably worth mentioning.

   <scribe> ACTION: Norm to clarify that version comes into play in use-when
   [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action03]

  180 passing a boolean value as a with-param

   Henry: Why doesn't this just work?

   Norm: Because the XPath 2 type system doesn't promote from xs:string to
   anything automatically.
   ... I think this just a limitation in v1.0

   Proposal: We just have to live with it.

   Norm: Any objections?

   Accepted.

  181 using tokens

   Norm: No new features at this point.

  184 iteration position and size

   Norm: I think the upshot is only viewport and for-each change the values

   <scribe> ACTION: Editor to clarify [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action04]

  185 content-disposition and content-id

   <scribe> ACTION: Alex to investigate and report back [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action05]

  186 encoding and charset

   Vojtech: In making the request, if you say encoding=base64 with no
   charset, then you just send the decoded byte sequence, right?

   Alex: c:body has content-type but no charset

   Norm: Right, I think Vojtech's argument to put it in the content type is
   compelling.
   ... Yes, c:data on those steps should be consistent with unescape markup

  190 Namespace attribute for steps that take wrappers

   Henry: I'm happy with new-prefix.

   Norm: I propose to add new-namespace and new-prefix (with appropriate
   names) to all the steps that have wrapper element names as options.
   ... Any objections?

   Accepted.

  191 Nodelists as value

   Norm: No new features.
   ... I think I should have filtered this one out.

  Recent editor's draft

   Henry: I'm happy with it.

   Vojtech: I have one small thing regarding the XQuery step.

   <alexmilowski> I'm happy with the most recent draft too.

   Vojtech: I think in Santa Clara we concluded that for things like XQuery
   or text input, we don't inherit any namespace bindings.

   Norm: I'd have to review the minutes again.

  Last call plans

   Norm: We're out of time, I'll take it to email

  Any other business?

   None heard.

   Adjourned.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Alex to investigate and report back [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Editor to clarify [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Editor to consider whether it's possible to clarify the
   definitions of atomic and compound steps. [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Henry to follow-up with Vasil. [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Norm to clarify that version comes into play in use-when
   [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action03]

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References

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   3. http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-irc
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  31. http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-xproc-minutes.html#action03
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  39. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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