Re: Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2015 November 11

Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name> writes:
> Agenda 
> ====== 

Present: Norm, Henry, David
Regrets: Jirka
Chair: Norm
Scribe: Norm

> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and 
> the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments, 
> or corrections ready by the beginning of the call). 

Accepted.

> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews. 
>
> XML Potential Errata
> --------------------
> Comment that “or by the Byte Order Mark” is lacking in section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0002
>
> Comment that an entity cannot “begin” with a BOM as suggested in
> section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0003
>
> ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments
> on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec.

Continued.

> Comment about documents with an "empty DTD":
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Jan/thread#msg8
> and
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
>
> Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here;
> see also his comments at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0004
>
> Paul sent the WG response at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0005
> and there was more back from the commentor at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
>
> Henry referenced Paul's email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0010
> especially Paul's suggestion in point 4, though Henry wasn't
> sure he agreed with the suggestion.
>
> ACTION to Henry: Post some suggestion(s) to the list about
> how to address: Comment about documents with an "empty DTD".

Continued.

> Question about normalization checking in XML 1.1
> ------------------------------------------------
> John Cowan forwarded an email for us to consider at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Dec/0026
> which I've also forwarded to the xml-editor list at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014OctDec/0000
> for official/archive purposes.
>
> Paul wrote some comments in email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Dec/0028
>
> Henry checked with Richard who agrees it's a bug, though how
> to fix it isn't obvious. Probably the only candidates for not
> being normalized are (internal and external) doctypes per email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2015Jan/0004
>
> ACTION to Norm and Henry: Review the email about normalization
> checking
> in XML 1.1 and suggest an appropriate corrigendum.

Continud.

> Potential Erratum to Namespaces
> -------------------------------
> CMSMcQ raised a potential erratum against Namespaces at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2014Sep/0000
> with WG discussion started at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Sep/0019
>
> He says that our latest wording in the definition of 'namespace name'
> (section 2.1) appears to say that an element with no namespace binding
> in scope is in no namespace as opposed to saying its namespace is
> unknown (thereby leaving the possibility that its namespace
> information may be determined by some other methods).
>
> Norm, Paul, and Henry posted some thoughts on this, and none
> of us feel that the current wording is necessarily bad enough
> to be worth any change. In particular, Norm doesn't agree with
> what Michael thinks should be the case. Henry points out that
> HTML5 does "make use of" defining namespaces without the
> namespace spec mechanism.
>
> Henry had some more (private) exchanges with Michael, and
> Henry will summarize the discussion for the WG.
>
> ACTION to Henry: Summarize and provide current status of
> the discussion of this namespace potential erratum.

Continued.

> 3. Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO
>
> See also
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-schema
>
> We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with
> approved errata). After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E
> (only) to ISO.
>
> Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David
> talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details.
>
> It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes,
> but after checking with Michael, he found
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
> which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3.
>
> We discussed
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
>
> Henry figures we can just publish this document.
>
> Loren believes the latest document includes everything,
> so the next step is to push it through the tool chain.
>
> We will need a diff (or list of changes).
> Loren says the diff is already available.
>
> We needed to consider whether any of the changes are normative
> and/or require a change to the test suite. After some discussion,
> we decided we should just create a PER.
>
> We still need to: Create the PER, i.e., XML Schema 1.1 Second Edition,
> and post (e.g., at http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2014/12/xschema11.html)
> for the WG to review.
>
> ACTION to David: Consider how to further progress on this work item.

David: I didn't see anyone at TPAC that might have been able to move
our work forward.

Norm: Can you chase up Loren and see what the story is?

David: I can try, but I don't have any contact info.

> 4. XML Test Suite. 
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite 
>
> 5. LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri 
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing 
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata): 
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor) 
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor) 
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor) 
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis. 
>
> 6. XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2015 June 30, we published our second XInclude 1.1 CR at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-xinclude-11-20150630/
>
> This CR period runs through the end of August.
>
> ACTION to Norm: Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1
> implementations and document them in our implementation report.

Norm: In an inspired moment, realizes that he can probably make
MarkLogic's XInclude implementation 1.1 compliant.

Henry: I have some time and I've started working on extending Richar's
XInclude 1.0 implementation to do XInclude 1.1.

> Note also the desire for another test case for the XInclude test
> suite per
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Apr/0000
>
> Norm announces that he has one conforming implementation,
> the one in XML Calabash, and he is working on another.
>
> Henry is seeing if Richard would implement it in his toolset.
> Norm says no more than an afternoon's work should be involved.
>
> ACTION to Norm: Update the implementation report and test suite.

Continued.

> 7. MicroXML
>
> MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it.
> We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda.
>
> paul 
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core 
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks 
> [3]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2015Sep/0014

Any other business

None heard.